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Jo.2:4 Is there a disrespect?

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Kat:

Just like here on the forum, when you can not see the demeanor of a person, the expression of their face or hear the tone of their voice, and all the little minute details that we assess when speaking with someone, then you have the opportunity to misread the mere words you read. So I do not believe for a moment Jesus would ever say anything to His mother that was unkind. As Marques said Jesus was just explaining to her the situation, but you will note that He did do as she requested.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

dave:
I don't believe that there is a misreading, and I don't believe for a moment that Jesus said anything unkind to His mother. The situation was certainly in His plan, I also must believe that His mothers request was not what caused Jesus to begin His ministry. If Jesus only spoke in parables, as I understand, then am I in error to believe that there is more to His words that what we read?
John 2:11 This beginning of the signs Jesus does in Cana of Galilee, and manifests His glory, and His disciples believe in Him.

Peace and Love Through Jesus

mharrell08:

--- Quote from: micah7:9 on November 19, 2010, 07:23:19 AM ---" My time to preach the gospel has not yet come.'"

I thought that Jo. 1:38-51 shows Jesus was already if not at least started to preach. Doesnt "my hour has not come..." doesnt that speak of His time of sacrifice?
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Those passages speak of Jesus gathering His disciples. They don't say He was preaching to the masses as yet. Jesus turning water into wine is thought to be His first miracle, that is the perspective I was speaking of.

Whether Jesus was talking about preaching the gospel or just His sacrifice, either way, Jesus made the point that worrying about wine is no where near important as to the job He was sent to do.



--- Quote from: micah7:9 on November 19, 2010, 07:23:19 AM ---Maybe the word disrespect was wrong. It just "sounds" like there is a tone for a seemingly harmless question. I don't expect that people should judge, and I hope you don't think my question was a judging one. I reason that whatever my Lord spoke that there is word of knowledge within.

Thank you.
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When I use the word judge, it's not with a direct negative connotation. It's simply means to use one's own 'judgment' to discern whether a matter was right/wrong/, good/bad, etc. We can judge a situation in a positive light.

But the fact remains, whether we say 'disrespect' or 'had a tone' or whatever, the question is still the same. It's a judgmental question: you are asking whether we think Jesus answer to His mother's questions was right/wrong, respectful/disrespectful, etc. At least, that is what I understand the question of the subject to be.

We don't know if Jesus' mother made a 'seemingly harmless question'. It only seems harmless to us because we are only given very little details of this event. There's no telling how many times she asked Him to do this. And she also knows from her pregnancy that Jesus was sent to do much more important matters than turning water into wine. And like Kat says: He STILL did it.


--- Quote from: micah7:9 on November 19, 2010, 08:16:12 AM ---I don't believe that there is a misreading, and I don't believe for a moment that Jesus said anything unkind to His mother. The situation was certainly in His plan, I also must believe that His mothers request was not what caused Jesus to begin His ministry. If Jesus only spoke in parables, as I understand, then am I in error to believe that there is more to His words that what we read?
John 2:11 This beginning of the signs Jesus does in Cana of Galilee, and manifests His glory, and His disciples believe in Him.

Peace and Love Through Jesus
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I believe you when you say you don't believe Jesus was unkind to His mother. But when you starting off asking was His words disrespectful, that led to confusion. If you didn't believe it, why even ask?

As far as whether Jesus words had more meaning than what was said, this is why the 12 Truths paper is a great guideline to follow. Yes, Jesus spoke in parables but no parable is it's own interpetation (Truth #9). We must compare Jesus' words of spirit in His response to a spiritual match (Truth #8). We need 2-3 witnesses that can attest to whatever point you believe is being made (Truth #6).

So what do you believe the spiritual message is in His response?


Marques

P.S. Please do not take my direct approach as strife with you. I think this is an interesting study, Micah.  :)

Deborah-Leigh:
Hi micah 7:9

I appreciate your perseverance. I agree with you, Jesus spoke truthfully in the Scripture you have presented where He informs us that His Hour had not yet come.

The hour that Jesus says had not yet come, was truly as He said. It wasn't the hour when He performs miracles and is believed, but when He doesn't perform any miracle and is betrayed and abandoned - THAT is the hour Jesus tells us. 

Jesus tells us when that hour is.

Mat 26:45  Then cometh He to His disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, THE HOUR is at hand, and the THE SON OF MAN IS BETRAYED INTO THE HANDS OF SINNERS.

Mat 26:55  In  THAT SAME HOUR said Jesus to THE MULTITUDES, Are ye COME OUT AS AGAINST A THIEF WITH SWORDS AND STAVES for to take me? I sat daily with you teaching in the temple, and ye laid no hold on me.

Mat 26:56  But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. THEN ALL THE DISCIPLES FORSOOK HIM AND FLED.

Nothing could happen to Him before THAT HOUR:

Joh 7:30  Then they sought to take Him: but no man laid hands on Him, because His hour was not yet come.

WE enter that same hour of Christ when we are betrayed, abandoned and we are not performing any miracles. THAT’S our hour too, of, with and in Christ.

Joh 16:20  Verily, verily, I say unto you, That ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice: and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy.

micah7:9 the Scripture you present does disclose the hour of Christ, as an hour of sorrow in abandonment, grief in rejection, as the world celebrates. There are no miracles in that hour. This is an important hour. It marks the believers hour too, when abandoned and rejected for Faith of Christ and believing God, we endure, much suffering and tribulation to enter into the Joy of The Kingdom of God. :)

When the world betrays, abandons and rejects us, and when there are no more miracles to perform for the world, THAT'S as the hour Jesus Christ anticipated, declared and endured.


Blessings
Arc

dave:
I can see what you say about the hour.  I just see all of what Jesus did as significant to our growing. We read that Jesus, his disciples, and His mother were invited to a wedding that would run out of wine and it is His mother who is notified and she turns to her son Jesus with the need. And Jesus states a truth that His hour has not yet come makes me to reason that there is much to understand and glean from the first of the signs of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Peace and Love Through Jesus

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