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Surprised, but not entirely sure I should be...
cjwood:
--- Quote from: Kat on December 04, 2010, 08:16:56 AM ---
...The thing is that most Christians have been learning what they believe since childhood in the church. They have built their false beliefs brick upon brick into a huge building of fallacy...
--- Quote from: Hudson on December 07, 2010, 01:01:04 PM ---
... Feels like I've been banging my head against a brick wall for awhile now :D
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hudson, perhaps you have been banging your head against that brick upon brick wall that kat mentioned in her post. i have learned and relearned many things from this thread. our witness is indeed how we live our life. studying, learning, and applying. the obedience/application required to be a true witness is the hardest part sometimes. for me at least. but, asking my Father to change my heart and cause me to become a solid witness of His gospel; to overcome this putrid carnal flesh and its' disgusting suggestions, and to live according to the Image of Christ, has become my daily outcry.
claudia
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Dave in Tenn:
I'm loathe to slink way from this thread with the feeling that there is "nothing I can do", even if I know I'm not called to be a teacher. God used Ray Smith and B-T on me.
Ray calls himself a teacher--and IS a teacher. He defines it very simply without any psuedo-spiritual mumbo jumbo. A teacher is somebody from whom people learn. Ray 'taught', I learned, and continue to. He is 'my teacher'.
If that definition is the case, then there are teachers of Truth, there are false teachers, and there are non-teachers (those who may attempt to teach but are unable or not blessed with 'results' which disqualifies them from the legitimate 'title'; or those who may not attempt to teach at all). The standards for a teacher of Truth are quite high and anyone who follows that leading is held to those higher standards. The scriptural admonition is to let there not be too many teachers. Yet some are called...not too many.
It seems to me the major warning Ray is giving is that we know what to expect when we try to 'convert' our former pastors, or family and friends, or spouses and children. It's an evil thing to be rejected--an evil that the Lord Jesus endured infinitely greater than any of us. It's an experience of evil given to us whereby to humble us, like all evil experiences are. We may be full of zeal, but not wisdom (like Peter in the Garden with the sword). We may be full of ourselves in many ways that "failures" cure us of.
We can't 'preach' a Gospel of a Sovereign, loving God who calls many and chooses few if we're not speaking out of Love and accepting His will.
Few should be teachers. I've known that since forever was new. A week or two on facebook was a humbling reminder. Some don't have it very right, and others have nothing to 'teach' at all. But that doesn't mean we can't do something to be part of the 'sent' so that preaching, hearing, and believing can happen according to the Will of God, just as it did/does for us.
Shawn Fainn:
--- Quote from: GaryK on December 07, 2010, 01:41:28 PM ---
You do?
I don't.
Not any more anyway.gk
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No offense taken, brother. But I think you overlooked what I was trying to get across.
It is Now that you understand the things you do.. It wasn't that way when you first learned the Truth. At first, you did try to share with others.
That's all I'm saying. It seems to be a common pattern/process that many here go through, and we all know God is in control..
God bless
Shawn Fainn:
--- Quote from: cjwood on December 07, 2010, 10:52:59 PM ---
hudson, perhaps you have been banging your head against that brick upon brick wall that kat mentioned in her post. i have learned and relearned many things from this thread. our witness is indeed how we live our life. studying, learning, and applying. the obedience/application required to be a true witness is the hardest part sometimes. for me at least. but, asking my Father to change my heart and cause me to become a solid witness of His gospel; to overcome this putrid carnal flesh and its' disgusting suggestions, and to live according to the Image of Christ, has become my daily outcry.
claudia
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Indeed. My head is still hurting too.. :)
Lesson learned!
santikos:
moxi,
it is great to hear that God is doing this in your life. Hopefully your husband is called of to learn these truths. My wife at first did not really want to hear that there is no hell, she used she same arguments she learned in church. So i just bit my tongue, she saw me studying alot and began to ask questions. Also i would hear someone say something and i will lovingly critique it, she began to see things a little different. After some time i began to hear her talk of God's love, then she said " i believe there is no hell". i was pretty happy with that. but as the rest of our family here at BT, we just have to live the life he wants us and love others. It is not our job to save the world. remember Jesus said " it is finished" why would i want to add to that.
The hardest thing for me is not haveing a person to fellowship with in person. but i come here and find refuge among our family. God Bless
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