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There's this ONE thing....
Extol:
For me the one thing was Hell.
Nearly six years ago, I read a blog post on myspace. I believe the topic was "How hard is getting saved?", and there was some material from BT included. Being the high-and-mighty, Scripturally-sound Christian that I was, I refuted the post, saying that it was possible for a Christian to be saved in seconds (like the thief on the cross), blah blah blah. I went back and forth with this guy via e-mail, and at the end he said something like "As long as you believe in the universal salvation of all, and that there's no free will, we'll be pretty much on the same page."
What??? Universal salvation of all? :o
There was no way that my Bible taught something like that, but I figured I'd check it out and see what this guy was talking about. He told me about BT, and...well, THANK GOD! Six months later I knew without a doubt that the Scriptures taught that God would save all, and that judgment was not eternal.
I often think about hell and am embarrassed that I actually believed in all of that! And not only did I believe in it, but I had no idea that it was an insanely cruel and evil thing. I never wished for bad people to go there. I cared about people and wanted everyone to be saved... but neither did I question how ridiculous and abhominable the hell doctrine is. It was just a normal thing for me, as a Christian, to believe. Thank God for His deliverance!
onelovedread:
This was the one that completely blew everything away for me. I quote directly from Ray in THE LAKE OF FIRE - Part XIII
"Whenever man builds his spiritual house upon the spiritual sand, his spiritual house will fall. And it is then that God reveals to him the wild beast that comes out of the sea. What does Paul tell us happens when there comes a ‘FALLING AWAY’ first? What follows? When our house on sand falls, what is then revealed? Why "the LAWLESS one" is "REVEALED." When the falling away occurs, then the man of sin, ‘the lawless one’ ‘the one destined for destruction’ is REVEALED.
And what a revelation it is! What a blast of the trumpet it is! What a shock to all humanity when at long last this wild beast is revealed to EVERYONE! Trust me when I tell you that it is a hard pill to swallow. It will shake you to your sandy foundation.
As I am now at the end of this Part XIII, I don’t want to close without revealing just who it is that constitutes the wild beast of Revelation 13 and the lawless one of II Thes. 2. I did title this Installment: Who is the Beast? And so I will tell you.
"So okay Ray, enough, TELL US WHO THE BEAST IS. Who? Tell us WHO?"
The "beast" is you!
jingle52:
Lovely thread Gary,
Sorry to spoil things with only One Truth – for me it was all the above mentioned truths and more! ;D
I was in a total catatonic religious state before my search and hunger for God’s Word brought me here to BT. I have learnt everything as if revealed for the first time by Ray. Most of the forum were in the church for years and years, I was only indoctrinated until I was 19, then got married and left the country (SA) and so I also left my church. My children and grandson were baptised catholic but I rarely attended mass if only for the ceremonial duties, my daughter’s marriage and grandson’s baptism and next year his first communion. Many times during my lunch break (in the city centre) I used to enter a church just to sit and wait for God’s peace to descend upon me while I prayed for guidance (He answered my prayers) then, in His time, he lead me to BT! 8)
Ray’s papers have been like wakening from a hazy dream, I feel like I’ve been living my life in a different realm without understanding anything (which is literally true), and now as Gary mentioned, little by little, day by day, truth upon truth, God is working in me too! Praise His Holy Name!
My mind is reeling with it all but I trust in the Lord because All is of God!
I don’t kid myself, I’ve got a long, long way to go yet…I have to apply every day what I’ve learnt and that can be hard… very hard at times!
God’s Blessings.
Deborah-Leigh:
What really gets to me is what Ray shows us about the parables all meaning ONE.
Yes, the word OF is BIG with HUGE importance!
We aren’t to do as the heretics do. They believe IN God. We eliminate IN ~ We BELIEVE God.
Faith IN Christ is not Faith OF Christ. We are to become the Faith OF Christ that is changed from the deceived practice of our faith. The Faith OF Christ becomes the pivotal change from IN to OF to AS CHRIST.
We also, are to be changed IN and TO His Being. We shall be HIS Image not His Original.
I believe that Christ is the mediator of all that is In, of and to = start, change, stop, = is, was, will be, = Alpha, I AM, Omega, = before, after and is.The changeless form of God, singularity of context and adhesive being, source, sovereign and ruler of all matter, energy, time and space OF which God is the Source.
Christ The ONE ~ ONE demonstrative as.......ALL in ALL.....of, in, with, through, by, all, everything, everywhere for all time, space, energy, matter and consciousness.
Act 17:28 For in Him we live and move and have our being, as also certain of your own poets have said, For we are also His offspring.
Look at Scientists. They too are looking beyond, quarks, up force, down force, quantum particles that make up everything that exists from the farthest star and galaxy to the photon energy expelled in nucleic collision. They are now looking at the equation that proves there is “something” that makes mass out of atoms, energy, space, time, magnetism, gravity, and they can’t find it yet they have proof. They have the equation but not the thing itself. Like seeing the wind but not catching it. Seeing the evidence but no culprit. No body, no crime. They are looking for the body! They are looking for physical evidence of molecular existence. They want to see the law giver and are following the lines ,laws and foot prints of existence. . ............and energetically to find the ONE>
That word ONE, for me, contains the of, with, by and in of all that God IS, doing, has done and will ever BE.
Thanks for a great, out of the box kind OF thread! :D
Blessings
Arc
GaryK:
Hi Anthony,
--- Quote --- “It took the longest though for me to unlearn the trinity.”
--- End quote ---
Ahhhh, the ‘unlearning’. Yes indeed Anthony.
“This is really childish that I should even have to explain to Christians that a "parabolay" really is a "FICTITIOUS narrative, and therefore is not a literal story at all. Oh what religion has done to otherwise perfectly sane minds.”
http://bible-truths.com/twelve.htm
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Hi Felix.
--- Quote --- Now, how can I be puffed up about any accomplishment or anything because God has given it to me.
--- End quote ---
You nailed it perfectly. I only wish it could be that easy for me as well. There must be some perfect reason he’s made such a stubborn soul as this one. Maybe I’ll ask him that question one day, provided he allows a question/answer session.
gk
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Hi Extol,
--- Quote ---What??? Universal salvation of all? There was no way that my Bible taught something like that
--- End quote ---
I understand Extol, my bible didn’t teach ‘universal salvation’ either. ;)
gk
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Hi O.L.D.
--- Quote ---The "beast" is you!
--- End quote ---
Well, speak for yourself O.L.D.!!! I remember the first time I read that paper. I was pretty sure he was going to give the name of an actual PERSON as the 'beast'. What a let-down, huh? ;D Being the stubborn soul, I could have written this part myself:
"Beast? What beast? I don’t see any beast within myself. I am not perfect by any means, but I am certainly not a beast." We shall see.".
http://bible-truths.com/lake14.html
Ray cracks me up with his wit.
gk
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Hi Jingle,
--- Quote ---I’ve got a long, long way to go yet
--- End quote ---
Lucky for us we’re all in ‘lock-step’ with YOU.
Heb 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
gk
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Hi Arc,
--- Quote ---What really gets to me is what Ray shows us about the parables all meaning ONE.
--- End quote ---
Waaaaait a minute. Are you saying it’s all one thing?
“And then we have in Ephesians 2:8, “For by grace, are you saved, through faith”
Now let me see if I’ve got this straight:
1. believe on the name of the Lord
2. call on the name of the Lord
3. be baptized
4. enter in at the door of Christ
5. and then by grace
6. through faith
…….and then I will be saved. Right? Wrong Paleface, because there’s more!
1 Cor 1:21, “It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe”
So now I’ve got to:
1. believe on the name of the Lord
2. call on the name of the Lord
3. be baptized
4. enter in at the door of Christ
5. and then by grace
6. through faith
7. and now I’ve got to listen to the foolishness of Ray Smith before I can be saved???”
And once more Ray fits it perfectly:
“Oh what religion has done to otherwise perfectly sane minds.”
gk
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