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Accountable, or to give an account.
daywalker:
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This is the only way man will LEARN right from wrong! Adam and Eve were 'TOLD' right from wrong, but not until they actually 'EXPERIENCED' right and wrong, did it make sense to them. IT IS WRONG TO SIN WHETHER WE WERE COERCED TO COMMIT SIN OR NOT. "The DEVIL MADE me do it." It matters not, YOU DID IT and are therefore accountable.
Ray
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This, to me, is perhaps the most important lesson I've learned from Ray, and no doubt the lesson one must comprehend in order to advance from a spiritual minor to a spiritual adult (if you will). Theological reasoning gets stuck between (a) Is God responsible for everything? -or- (b) Is mankind responsible for everything?
Understanding that God is 'responsible' for everything, while at the same time, holding us 'accountable' in order that we learn from our mistakes, learn right from wrong, overcome our sins and weaknesses and become His spiritual children (image) ...This is the lesson theology refuses to accept. Thank you God for Ray's teachings and for this website!
Christopher 8)
Marky Mark:
Thank-you all for your concern and replys. 8)
Peace...Mark
GaryK:
This topic….the original posted questions by Mark and his views…….along with each and every response thereafter….is where this forum shines. At least to me. I’ve read this thread now more than a dozen times and continue to realize that I’m dumber than a fence-line post on the free-will issue. Well, maybe not completely but I’m at least the turtle sitting on top of the post, can’t move and can’t get down because some idiot put me there, upside down. I really hate admitting such dumbness, especially knowing the number of times I’ve read Ray’s papers on FW. Sometimes when reading his papers…over and over and over on free-will…..I think, “I’ve got it”. But I don’t. Not yet, still. There’s some key ingredient missing and I just simply don’t know what it is. Not yet. It’s nice to know that Ray himself has said in his papers the extensive number of hours he’s spent thinking on the FW issue before he ‘got it’. So, I stand in a ‘spiritual prison’, until such a time as parole or pardon is given. I trust those who have gone before me on this same route can reassure me and others that there is, in fact, life after these prison walls.
Maybe I’m over-thinking the whole thing. Nonetheless, I think there’s a quantum difference between reading on a subject where the words seem to make sense enough, as far as reading skills go, as opposed to thinking on and interjecting one’s own circumstances or life’s trials within the subject and coming away with a newness of understanding complete with that same understanding containing one’s life experiences as well, especially on such an important subject as this one.
(whew, that was a long sentence wasn’t it? Sentence composition skills---grade F....sorry Ms. Curry :D).
But, this thread has some jeweled lines threaded within the responses that help push an understanding.
The forum is working like a greased machine on this one. Good subject Mark.
grapehound:
Hi Guys,
Iv'e followed this thread with interest and as an aid to relate my understanding
of FW, I was thinking in terms of metaphors.
What came to mind was Shakespeare. A man that read his bible.
A man that 'knew' things that are not common to men.
He suggested that 'all the world is a stage' and that we are merely a cast list, each with his entrances and exits, each with a script.
The muse of theatre dictates action and reaction, drama and comedy. light and dark, hero versus villain.
Somebody has to be the villain, or there is no story.
The actor is not guilty of the deeds or the thoughts of his creation.
He is accountable for his role, but not responsible for the production.
The Director is.
Neither is the actor responsible for the casting.
The Director is.
Neither the wages, the venue or the story.
ALL alone are the Director's remit.
Especially if He is also the Producer.
It seems the 'bard' understood far more than human nature and the price of a ticket.
Grape x
cjwood:
--- Quote from: GaryK on January 05, 2011, 01:45:13 PM ---... I’ve read this thread now more than a dozen times and continue to realize that I’m dumber than a fence-line post on the free-will issue. Well, maybe not completely but I’m at least the turtle sitting on top of the post, can’t move and can’t get down because some idiot put me there, upside down...
gary i really enjoyed your imagery on this one. i laughed so hard i almost got choked. :D i can't tell you how many times i have felt like the turtle, but, never quite knew how to describe it.
... It’s nice to know that Ray himself has said in his papers the extensive number of hours he’s spent thinking on the FW issue before he ‘got it’. So, I stand in a ‘spiritual prison’, until such a time as parole or pardon is given. I trust those who have gone before me on this same route can reassure me and others that there is, in fact, life after these prison walls.
i know from my experiences, i can reassure you that there is indeed, life after the prison walls of the free-will detention center are open. 8)
thanks for posting gary.
claudia
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