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karenmarie:
some of my friends and family are undergoing rough times right now, and have been, for at least a year. They've been praying, I've been praying, and yet, situations didn't seem to be resolved. We've talked about the Dark Night of the Soul, Wandering in the Desert, the aloofness (seemingly) of God.

I've been praying alongside, and remembering also the times I went through where God didn't answer my prayers for relief quickly or in the way I wanted.

Sometimes, He answers all of a sudden, out of the blue, after years of prayers, in ways we couldn't imagine but are so much better. Even BETTER than that, I have learned, and my friends have learned through these recent experiences, the dross is burned off and we realize that through this parching dryness, searching for literal water, we've been given spiritual water - His presence, His fellowship, even when we didn't see Him at first.

I'm learning that He wants me to want Him, first, before the blessings I ask for. Seek first His kingdom, and His righteousness, and then all these things will be added to you. In hindsight, I am glad for the purging and the trial by fire.

What I have learned recently (and I KNEW this already, but this new realization has sunk deeper into my soul) is that all the while I am undergoing the trials, God is there, making the trial BEARABLE. I don't know if I can explain this well. But I have looked back at things that have happened to me, knowing it was chastisement, but seeing God's LOVE and tenderness through and through. I guess I am reminded of the 3 Israelites in the fiery oven and Jesus there with them. I have seen this in some of the things my friends and family members have gone through, too. At first, they had to say in blind faith that God was with them even though they couldn't see. I saw the dross being burned off. Now they are seeing all of this, too. The love and faithfulness of God, sustaining them even though He brought them to pain.

This helps me understand further how God will be with those who undergo the lake of fire later. Besides the horribleness of teaching about eternal torment in a burning torture pit, there is the additional false teaching of how God won't be there - the "lost souls" will be eternally apart from Him. Or, some pastors have taught that hell is not a literal lake of fire, but the absence of God forever. How false both of these teachings are. He is a loving father, teaching us righteousness, never abandoning anyone.

Karen

arion:

--- Quote ---But I have looked back at things that have happened to me, knowing it was chastisement, but seeing God's LOVE and tenderness through and through.
--- End quote ---

I think many of us can identify with that.  I had a problem with not being able to live within my means and credit cards were always a temptation.  God answered my prayer by having the IRS ding me for what they claimed were back taxes from about ten previous years and having interest and penalties on top of it.  They put a tax levy against me and for 18 months took every cent I made over the $630 a month they decided to let me keep.  Looking back....it was an answer to prayer because I learned how to make do with what I had, I learned how to save for something that I want and pay in cash because I could no longer get credit, ect.  I'm thankful that I learned that lesson and had that purged out of me before this depression (government says recession, LOL) that we've been in for the last couple of years.  God doesn't always answer our prayers the way we expect or want but the Father knows exactly how to wield the whip and it's always in love for our own good even if we can't see it until much later.  Those things lend experience that we can draw against for current trials and that is something that the world can never take away from us.

acomplishedartis:

I can kind of see, how does praying both ways helps and bring fear away; If I get one side: good. If i get the other, it is God's will again.

Sometimes I let my imagination go, and try to overcome (try to accept God's will) in the worst scenarios I can put myself. Then fears get away.

grapehound:
Amen John K,
In a nutshell.

God Bless

waarheid77:
 The sad thing I saw when my eyes were opened to it was that I reaped what I had sown.
21+ years married to the 1st wife and she claimed I beat her for 20 years. I never raised a hand to her. She charged me with CDV and highly aggravated assault (10 year automatic). She would get mad at the drop of a hat and go off on me like a windmill. Face, head and shoulders got hit. No issue with me as it never hurt a bit. Hardhead I guess. I was shown where I planted the seed that brought all the false accusations on me. She had 4 credit cards in my name that I knew nothing about and the divorce papres said I was to pay it off. 3 cards $11k + on the other card was $3600+. On a gas card over $1k. I paid the gas card. I signed over my retirement account to her and was told what a fool I was. The IRS website said if I gave her half she would get half of all I ever got. It said if I gave her all she could get no more.
No brainer she got all. They thought I knew something and took the credit card debt and claimed that since I signed the retirement over she took them. In reality it was because when I found out I killed the cards. I think they were afraid I would press charges. Not sure what scared them. Went from me paying all and 30 day divorce with physical abuse to 366 separation and her pay them off and after the daughter graduated from H.S. no more child support.
 Then the criminal charges were lowered to CDV (misdemeanor) and that was all if I took the deal. I could not as it was a lie. I told April to make the call. Lawyer said i could not do that. She made the call take the CDV. They had 4 polieman that had never seen me going to testify that they knew I beat her. Also 2 women that worked with her. The cops children went to the school she works at so they agreed to help her. I was shown when what seemed like little things (mustard seed) grow into something big.
 Things that I had read in the Bible that I saw but did not see before gave me the answer that I planted the seed for every thing evil I thought was done to me.
 Can blame no one but myself. All scripture is God-breathed and is profitable fo rdoctrine, for conviction, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. The heart is deceitfulabove all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings. He also says; My people perish for lack of knowledge.
 Then Jesus said, Father forgive them, for they know not what they do.
 Sevaral things have happened over and over many times. I find this true for everyone. The cycle keeps repeating so maybe we can see what we are doing to cause it. Of the things that kept repeating I was able to overcome all but one. It came from the owner and I knew that I could do nothing. That was one mountain i could not climb. That tongue has started wars and created all kinds of havoc. Change the way you think and you will not say it again. Repented and he showed me how to move the mountain. Told the man I was sorry for what I said as it was wrong. That it was done out of ignorance and that the other thing that effected them I also saw it was wrong and it was gone also. I said I hope one day you can forgive me, and he said let's forget it . DONE moved the mountain.
 All it took was to realize to use God's word looking to the inside. Christianity puts it to the outside. Not only that but
Judeo-christianity is serving to masters. Look how convoluted it is.
  
John from Kentucy i have no idea why I am drawn to some people. You are one of them. Stop accusing, judging and condenming yourself. We are told to put on the mind of Christ. He came not to juge but, to save. He did not criticize, or condemn either. So when you hear that voice that says you can't make it then know it is the devil inside making his false accusations. He is a liar. Tell him so and he will go away.ray says the Bible is not literal. So when Jesus was taken up into an exceeding high mountain and showed Him all the kingdomsof of the world it was not literal. It was the heavens of His mind. And He saw satan fall as a star from heaven.
 John make him fall too.

In  Christ Jesus love and grace to all
Ken  

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