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olasupo jacobs:
Please i need some clarification, I was reading this post from Kat in more of Rays teaching and came across this few lines that appear as my question above ( ray's quote in blue)

Notice that it doesn't say in chapter 2 verse 3 that there was no man on earth at this time, but rather that there was "no man to till the ground."  There were men, but they were hunters/gatherers, not farmers.  God is now going to make a more advance human to cultivate and farm the land. 

The phrase "dress it and keep it" in verse 15, is "tend and cultivate." God is teaching Adam to be a farmer. When in doubt, read a proper translation.  God did not create the animals AFTER He created Adam. Notice a proper translation from the Concordant Literal Old Testament: "And furthermore, Ieu Alueim ['the Lord God'] HAVING FORMED [yes, having ALREADY formed, millions of years in the past] all field life and every flyer of the heavens."  God is bringing to Adam the Animal species which He had already created millions of years in the past, to have Adam give names to them.  This obviously took years.  Some, such as the dinosaurs (the reptilian 'tannyin, tannyim,' of Gen. 1:21 had already been extinct for many millions of years. These were decidedly not, "great whales," as the King James erroneously translates it).

It was from this first group of humanity that Cain apparently got his wife, cities were built, etc.


the underline statements appears to lend credence to my question whether some men were in existence b4 Adam...or most likely am the one viewing it wrongly or not understanding what the message is conveying...please clear my cobwebs on this Thanks forum members

Kat:

Hi Olasupo Jacobs,

This was from a resent email that was just posted http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,12719.0.html

It brought out what you are asking, that yes there were humans on earth before Adam.

In Genesis 1:26 God "made" [Heb: 'asah'] male and female. In Gen. 2:6 God "formed" [Heb: 'yatsar'] Adam--two difference Hebrew words: two different formations.
Notice that it doesn't say in chapter 2 verse 3 that there was no man on earth at this time, but rather that there was "no man to till the ground."  There were men, but they were hunters/gatherers, not farmers.  God is now going to make a more advance human to cultivate and farm the land. 


So in genesis 1:26 we have the creation of the first humans. This gives credence to the scientific evidence of man being on earth a very long time before Adam. Then the Genesis 2:6 account is of God forming Adam, as Ray puts it "a more advance human," I guess to bring civilization and culture to the world.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

G. Driggs:
After reading all of what Ray's say's about Adam and Eve, I come to a conclusion which may need correction.

Adam and Eve are a type/shadow of Jesus and His Elect Church right? Adam and Eve were farmers and cultivators right? Does that make Jesus and His Elect Church farmers and cultivators too? Farmers and cultivators of people instead of the ground? Consider the many metaphors and parables which portray God as a farmer, and the many parables about His Elect being the workers in the fields. So does that mean the people created before Adam and Eve represent "the many" and the rest of the world that are in need of spiritual farmers and cultivators?

If I'm way off, forgive me, I didn't know.

Thanks Olasupo Jacobs, good questions. I hope you dont think I'm hijacking your thread. It just seem to be a natural question after yours.

G.Driggs

indianabob:
Friends and moderators,

This is certainly a new concept for me; that there were lower species of homo sapiens on the earth before the "first" man and the "first" woman from whom all the rest of "mankind" descended.

First, it seems to me that we need quite a lot of reasoned explanation before publishing such a theory.
And second these views seem to be leaning toward supporting the theory of MACRO-EVOLUTION for which there is plenty of scientific commentary from the "Darwin" adherents.

For example, if there were homosapiens that were in appearance like Adam and Eve, did they have language skills or did they just grunt as they foraged for food. Did they build anything and form societies for protection from the animals and from other competing tribes? Or did they roam in marauding bands subduing any opposition as portrayed in "B" movies? Did they have religious superstitions or beliefs etc? I think we need to flesh out these very brief comments in house before publishing them for all the world to consider and critique.

Respectfully offered, Indiana Bob

olasupo jacobs:
it is becoming more interesting...my analytical mind is beginning to ask some questions based on certain things we know hear this:
1. The scripture lends voice to The first Adam and the last Adam  figuratively referring to Adam of genesis and Jesus Christ what is the condition of those men you (or As Ray said) were created before Adam the husband of Eve who supposedly Gave birth to Cain who married one of the daughters of such men...
2. If death reign through one man supposedly the man who sinned ie Adam does that imply that those men mentioned that were before Adam sinless and doesn't need a saviour and some might think as many xtians believe they are the Nephilims( Supposed angels that left their first realm to copulate with humans) this account itself didnt come up until Noah's period of the flood.
3. Why is the genealogy of Jesus physically trace back to Adam and not those men previously created?
4. He thats born of the flesh is flesh..he thats born of the spirit is spirit so Jesus said...those men apart from being hunters are there any thing natural about them that we need to know?
Lastly do we have more Scriptures to substantiate this pre-adam beings or creatures that are humans also or do we take it as some of those revelations that are hard/strong meat to swallow only those whose understanding is above average in spiritual matters or revelations can decipher this.  Please ill like to get more response ... if it becomes a hot topic that forum members might not want to contribute thier opinions to. i;ll be contented to let it lie....there many things we wont know in this lifetime until the resurrection of the just and unjust

I;ll leave this lines in one of my favorite song i know back then titled: Till that Day

     We all have faults both great and small
     but the one who keeps perfecting is Jesus
     and his love is stronger than all
     there are some of us who have stumble on our way
     let the strong of us restore the weak till that day
                 Till the day the voice of unity resound in one accord
  chorus:      till the day we reach the fullness of the stature of our Lord
                 till the day that we know Jesus in the way that we are known
                 till the day we stand faultless with great joy before the throne
                 My brother i will love you till that day
                 My sister i will love you till that day
                 i will bear your burden till that day

 that sum up the best approach to touchy topics  and strong issues that is above immediate comprehesion... WALK IN LOVE

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