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did some people existed b4 adam was created?
arion:
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ez2u:
just another part of this Gen1:26
Gen 1:26 And God430 said,559 Let us make6213 man120 in our image,6754 after our likeness:1823 and let them have dominion7287 over the fish1710 of the sea,3220 and over the fowl5775 of the air,8064 and over the cattle,929 and over all3605 the earth,776 and over every3605 creeping thing7431 that creepeth7430 upon5921 the earth.776
we could look at is let us make the word make here
H6213
עשׂה
‛âśâh
aw-saw'
A primitive root; to do or make, in the broadest sense and widest application: - accomplish, advance, appoint, apt, be at, become, bear, bestow, bring forth, bruise, be busy, X certainly, have the charge of, commit, deal (with), deck, + displease, do, (ready) dress (-ed), (put in) execute (-ion), exercise, fashion, + feast, [fight-] ing man, + finish, fit, fly, follow, fulfil, furnish, gather, get, go about, govern, grant, great, + hinder, hold ([a feast]), X indeed, + be industrious, + journey, keep, labour, maintain, make, be meet, observe, be occupied, offer, + officer, pare, bring (come) to pass, perform, practise, prepare, procure, provide, put, requite, X sacrifice, serve, set, shew, X sin, spend, X surely, take, X thoroughly, trim, X very, + vex, be [warr-] ior, work (-man), yield, use.
is a coarse let us be making man
Oatmeal:
--- Quote from: markn902 on January 29, 2011, 03:14:06 PM ---
--- Quote from: Samson on January 28, 2011, 12:58:54 PM --- So he knew that, he knew that when Eve ate it she was going to die. He longed for that woman so long and now she is going to die. He loved her so much, he said if she is going to die, I’m going to die with her, and he ate the fruit. He knew full well he would die, and he said I’m going with her. I’m not going to let her go alone, you see. So he was willing to die for that woman.
--- End quote ---
That is a really beautiful love story!
--- End quote ---
Was Adam's carnal nature capable of true unselfish love?
Was it unselfish love Adam displayed, or love for himself? Beautiful? love story? He was willing to die for that woman? His willingness to die served only himself, didn't it, if it was because he didn't want to miss her? How would his death in this way profit her? If it didn’t profit her, how was it love? If he loved her at least as much or more than he loved himself, why didn't he ask God if he could take her place (die instead of her) instead of simply joining her in death? And perhaps he could have asked God to make another partner for her. What a selfish man. Thinking only of himself, I think. What does it matter what I think? Does Scripture agree (in the flesh there is no good thing, etc)?
Oatmeal:
Please extend to me your kindness and patience.
Did no one see my question?
When I quoted Matthew 19:4-6 and Mark 10:6-9 in an earlier post I was asking: What is the significance of the fact that, in regard to man at the beginning, and a man and his wife being no more twain but one flesh, and not to be separated in divorce, Jesus quoted from Genesis chapter one and Genesis chapter two in one seamless quote? Doesn’t this show that there was only one creation of mankind? Am I being too simple? Possibly. Please make me more complicated by a well-informed reply. This subject area does seem to be rather speculative though.
In the first (assuming there were two) creation of man, man was made in the image of God; and they were created male and female (Genesis 1:27). If I have understood correctly, Jesus said, because of the creation of male and female, in the beginning, for this cause, shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. A "one flesh" statement appears in Genesis chapter two. The reason given was because woman was taken out of man, which still equals a creation of male and female, (but in more detail?).
If there were two creations of man, did the same rules apply to both creations? It appears that the husband-wife one flesh bonding applied to the first creation, as well as to the second.
If the same rules applied to both creations, did no one in the first creation of man, a significant creation made in the image of God, start dying until after Adam sinned?
The main question(s): What is the significance of the fact that, in regard to man at the beginning, and a man and his wife being no more twain but one flesh, and not to be separated in divorce, Jesus quoted from Genesis chapter one and Genesis chapter two in one seamless quote? How does this affect the argument that there were two creations of man, or does it not affect it? How does it not affect it?
Thanks
arion:
I guess that I didn't know that their is an 'inner circle' around here Mark with perhaps the exception of those fortunate few that live near Ray and can actually fellowship with him from time to time. The thing is though that we all had to ask to be admitted for membership to the forum and as part of that we agree to abide by the ground rules. One of the nice benefits of that is that there is very little rancor on this forum and one of the big reasons is that the moderators don't allow us to get too far off of what Ray has taught. On many Christian type forums there is constant bickering and backbiting over everything from A-Z and that doesn't happen around here. I'm not a mod (wouldn't want to be) and I simply copied from the FAQ's that we all agree to before we ever become members here.
God bless!!
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