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DougE6:
Rom 1:29  They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips,
Rom 1:30  slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31  foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
Rom 1:32  Though they know God's decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.
Gal 5:19  Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality,
Gal 5:20  idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions,
Gal 5:21  envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

THIS IS ALL CALLED DARKNESS> NONE OF THESE THINGS ARE FOUND IN GOD.

1Jn 1:5  This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

Gal 5:22  But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
Gal 5:23  gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
Gal 5:24  And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
Gal 5:25  If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.

So how does God, who is light, in whom is no darkness at all, use evil? In a completely different sense than we do!  When we do evil, we are being what the Bible describes above.  Yet God is never that way. You cannot say that any of those things in that first paragraph apply to God in any way, ever.  This is why I am careful about NOT saying things like "God actually murdered/killed/raped/kidnapped/whatever crime is in mind (even though He operates all things after the counsel of his own will)  Because NONE of those attributes, which are found in all and in those particular ungodly men,  those dark evils and attributes being the fundamental reason they actually carried through and  did whatever terrible evils which were done, are found in God!

God remains pure.  There is none of that darkness in Him.  When he uses evil, his reasons are much higher and extend from LOVE.  God would always have a high and lofty purpose in every action, even those actions which require the work of satan,  or the actions of ungodly men.

God created evil for TEMPORARY and good purposes. He uses it every day. He created Satan to do necessary things to bring out His great purposes. Eventually evil will no longer be needed and will die along with Death itself.

I invite comments on this.  I do fear that we are not wise enough, even in our language to properly explain. That is why his thoughts are higher than our thoughts, and His ways higher than our ways.  I do not want to say anything that will confuse this issue in any way.  I want to only say things that are Praiseworthy, Excellent, True and noble, and do not have any chance of being misunderstood.  I rejoice in that there is no free will, that keeps my feet firm, and that God is steering everything, that gives me hope,  But I rejoice even more that there is NO DARKNESS in God, or in anything He does, ever, because then I know His character is completely trustworthy.

Stacey:
Doug,

To say that God does not kill goes against scripture, look at it.

Deu 32:39  See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

Thats God saying very clearly that He is the one doing it. The killing, the wounding and the healing.

Respectfully,
Stacey

DougE6:
Hi Stacey

yes I know God kills. When God kills, He has no malice in his heart. Or never does He have any darkness that men have.

Thankyou for giving me the chance to clarify that.
Doug

Kat:

Here is an email where Ray had an exchange with a man concerning what God ordains, that I think may shed some light on this subject.

http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php?topic=3815.0 -------

Why does God pre-ordain for certain men to rape little girls?
Why does He preordain for this to happen?
 
Lee
 

Dear Lee:
We must be careful how we use words and phrases and also be careful not
to draw fallacious conclusions from Scriptural Truths. The Bible nowhere says
that God "pre-ordained" such sins. It says he has a fore-knowledge OF such
sins. Many people over the years have tried to force me into saying that God sins
and that God is evil, but I won't say it, because I don't believe it. God nowhere
says that He "ordains" sin, and so I don't say it either.
 
God did not "pre-ordain" me to eat Girl Scott cookies today, but I did. Man has
the ability to think, plan, create, imagine, and carry out these devised lusts of his
heart, and yes, God KNEW a long time ago just what we would do,  but nowhere
does it say that God "pre-ordained" our sins. We live and operate under law. We
automatically do certain things under certain stimuli. It does not need to be "pre-
ordained."
 
Maybe what you are really asking is why did God create humanity so that they would sin under all of these different stimuli?  But that's a topic too big for an email. Besides, I have covered these things many times in the articles on our site. If you look up ordain or ordained in a concordance, you will find that God has ordained dozens of things in the Scripture, but nowhere does it say He ordained particular sins.
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I understand your frustration, but you are still lacking understanding. When a parent gives his teenager a little slack as we say, he knows that to some degree his teenager will abuse that liberty and do some things that are wrong. When he does, is the parent at fault? Did the parent actually commit the sin?  Is the parent guilty of the sin? Should the parent go to jail for the sin of his son? It is not as cut and dry as you would like it to be.

"I [the Lord] create EVIL...." (Isa. 4:7). Therefore, according to your simplistic approach to this subject, God IS EVIL, right?  If God creates evil, then HE IS EVIL, isn't He? How could it be any other way according to your reasoning?  If God creates a man who will rape a little girl, then GOD HIMSELF RAPED THAT LITTLE GIRL, right?  If God planned it: He did it. Right?  Wrong.

You would prefer that it be that simple and that crude, but it isn't. I am not denying that God had the foreknowledge of a particular rape, but I am not about to say that God pre-ordained that rape.  You can't conclude that: [1] God made humanity.  [2]  Humanity all sins.  [3] Therefore GOD IS SIN! The Scriptures tell us that "God CANNOT lie."  Yet we have several Scriptures that tell us God SENDS A LYING SPIRIT to deceive people. Therefore is God a LIAR when He tells us that He "CANNOT lie?"

Let me help you with the answer:  Why is it wrong for one man to kill another man, but it is not wrong for God to kill a man? Several reasons:  [1] Intent of heart. God kills out of righteousness.  [2]  God kills for the welfare of the one He kills.  [3] God has the power to bring back to life and rectify all wrongs and all evils, and is therefore FULLY JUSTIFIED IN ALL HIS WAYS.
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What God "ordains" in the Bible carries the connotation of almost putting His "blessing" on the thing that is ordained. But as we cannot find anywhere in the Scriptures where God specifically ordains a specific SIN of humanity, such raping a little girl, I naturally took offense when the initial question in this little debate asked, why does God ORDAIN dirty old men to rape little children? (or words to that effect). There is a difference between God "fore-knowing" something and "fore-ORDAINING" something, although many refuse to see it.
 
Hence we have such doctrines as "God cannot look upon sin," which is the result of a miss-translation in the book of Habakkuk. Likewise it is untrue that the sacrificing of children to the god Molech "never entered God's MIND."  The proper translation is "HEART." Is there a difference between mind and heart? Yes. Is there a difference between God not tempting any man, but yet sends temptations? Yes. Is there a difference between God "CANNOT lie"  and sending a "LYING spirit?" Yes there is, but I don't have time to do a whole paper on this subject right now, because I am far behind in more important things. People have tried by the hundreds and thousands to trip me up over the years to insinuate that if what I teach regarding the foreknowledge and Sovereignty of God is true, then they present a dozen ways in which that would mean God is the AUTHOR OF SIN, or that God Himself IS EVIL. If God KNOWS in advance that people will commit certain sins, then isn't he "condoning" such sin? If they are a necessary part of His Plan and Purpose do they not work and work good. Therefore are not all these things "good?" Therefore isn't raping little children and cutting their heads off, a GOOD THING?  Can you see where this kind of thinking leads?
 
I have no objection to a question like: "Why does God allow evil in the world?" I can answer that question. But, someone asks: "Why does God ORDAIN men to rape children?" that offends my spirit.. I will cover it in a future paper, but I just don't have the time right now, but I also didn't want everyone to think that I am avoiding the question or the many responses to it.   Hope you will all be patient.
 
God be with you,
Ray

DougE6:
thank you Kat for that email. I looked for that for hours, could not find it, but I remembered it. It was part of the reason for my post.
Doug

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