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Adam and Adam's love for Eve
Oatmeal:
From: "The Myth of "Free Will" Exposed - Part A":
"You see, Adam was willing to die for his new bride, just as Jesus was willing to die for His bride, the church."
And:
"Adam LOVED his wife dearly. He never wanted to be separated from her. But he knew that the wages of eating the forbidden tree was to be death. But did he fully comprehend all that death entailed? Probably not. But whatever the penalty would be or how it would be carried out, Adam knew that he did not want to be separated from his wife."
These quotes puzzle me.
I know that there is love, and there is love, but the English language does not directly define between them, and in some people’s mind love means love, and they think of it as love, when actually it doesn’t, and it isn’t. So what was the love that Adam had for his wife? Was it unselfish love, the real love, God’s love, the love of 1 Corinthians 13? Without this love, even if a person should die for another, the person would profit NOTHING. “Nothing” means absolutely zilch.
Is Ray saying that Adam had true unselfish love? If so, how could Adam have this love, considering that he was carnal?
"They were as carnal-minded as any two people who have ever lived."
Adam enjoyed Eve’s company (well let’s assume that he did). If you miss somebody and enjoy their company does that mean that you love them? Could it possibly mean that you love the good feelings that they give YOU and maybe you will care for them so that the good feelings continue, and only for that reason will you continue to “love” them?
Think about it deeply, even think about it shallowly, because it doesn’t take much thinking: how many men would “love” a woman if they didn’t have a p*n*s? What is really driving them, even the real nice ones, even the real “loving” ones?
Perhaps the above paragraph shocked some of you. I want to get down to the harsh realities.
I cannot understand why Ray said that Adam was willing to die for Eve. Didn’t Adam’s willingness to die serve only himself if it was because he didn't want to miss her? How would his death profit Eve? Of course it profited Eve from God’s perspective, but how did it profit Eve from Adam’s perspective, from what he could see? If his death didn’t profit Eve, how was it love? Probably some will say that Adam wanted Eve to have company in her dying, well that’s really nice, but if he truly loved her, why didn't he ask God if he could take her place (die instead of her) instead of dying with her? Perhaps he didn’t think of it – but was that because of lack of intelligence or lack of love and lack of understanding of what love is?
A woman is caught on the second story of a building on fire! The man gets a ladder! Surely he will rescue her, or at least try! But no! This is a real man! Instead of rescuing her, he joins her! What a man! What love!
I honestly can’t see that Adam was anything but selfish. Can someone help me here? Why does Ray say the things he does about Adam’s love and at least imply that it was real love? Or have I misunderstood that?
I know a man who was driving. It was a mini-bus. Someone annoyed him, probably something very minor. In his heart, this man sent the person straight to hell (at the time he did not know that hell did not exist). In his heart, this man had no mercy. No mercy whatsoever, and therefore, I assume, no love. This experience happened twice, as far as I recall. Perhaps Adam did love, and if he did, then he was far better than this man.
In his heart this man was king over all of his fellow human beings, and at that time he had had no teaching that the “man of sin” was himself.
I also know a man who is very aware that a man can swim a thousand oceans, pass over high mountains, cross searing deserts, for a woman, but it is all for himself. Perhaps Adam did love, and if he did, then he was far better than that man.
That man needs to walk the narrow way until God fully shows him his sin, his lack of love. Please pray for that man, that God will bring him to His light.
GaryK:
--- Quote from: Oatmeal on February 07, 2011, 12:21:08 PM ---From: "The Myth of "Free Will" Exposed - Part A":
"You see, Adam was willing to die for his new bride, just as Jesus was willing to die for His bride, the church."
And:
"Adam LOVED his wife dearly. He never wanted to be separated from her. But he knew that the wages of eating the forbidden tree was to be death. But did he fully comprehend all that death entailed? Probably not. But whatever the penalty would be or how it would be carried out, Adam knew that he did not want to be separated from his wife."
These quotes puzzle me.
Is Ray saying that Adam had true unselfish love? If so, how could Adam have this love, considering that he was carnal?
"They were as carnal-minded as any two people who have ever lived."
--- End quote ---
It appears to me, at a quick glance, that Ray answered your puzzlement, ie: the 'carnal minded' part.
I could be wrong but is it possible for 'carnal' to equal 'true, unselfish' love as what would be equal to the love from God?
gk
grapehound:
How many women would love a man that didn't have a penis?
Joel:
There would be no Eve without Adam, she came from his body, the same as the Church came from Jesus Christ, and would not exist without him.
Its hard not to love something that is a part of you. :)
Joel
octoberose:
You know Grape, at this time in my life I know several women who's husbands have no prostate and that's sorta the same thing, at least functionally between a man and his wife. And they are faithful to him and love him regardless. I know I would.
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