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Adam and Adam's love for Eve
cjwood:
fyi, many women love men who are paralyzed from the waist down. go figure grape?! i do understand where your initial thought came from. that carnal man...
claudia
a carnal woman...
Dawidos:
Well, the exception proves the rule. I think Grape was saying that most men or women who are carnally minded, pay a lot of attention to appearance at first, but of course there are many people who love for many other reasons, which are closer to the spiritual definition of love.
Please, don't feel wrong about Grape. He is a very kind and nice mammal :) :D
grapehound:
I did figure that turning Octoberose's question around would either provoke laughter or the venting of spleen.
Mirrors are treacherous things; without make up. ;D
Thanks for catching the ball, John K !
WTG Dawidos !
The oyster owes much to irritation. ;D ;D
Luv Y'all
Grape x
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Oatmeal on February 07, 2011, 12:21:08 PM ---From: "The Myth of "Free Will" Exposed - Part A":
"You see, Adam was willing to die for his new bride, just as Jesus was willing to die for His bride, the church."
And:
"Adam LOVED his wife dearly. He never wanted to be separated from her. But he knew that the wages of eating the forbidden tree was to be death. But did he fully comprehend all that death entailed? Probably not. But whatever the penalty would be or how it would be carried out, Adam knew that he did not want to be separated from his wife."
These quotes puzzle me.
--- End quote ---
John 15:13 Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends.
Rom 5:7 Very few people will die to save the life of someone else. Although perhaps for a good person someone might possibly die [NCV]
Ray is teaching from the scriptures that state how Adam was not deceived. He willingly chose to die.
1 Tim 2:13-14 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression
And Adam tells God why he made this decision:
Gen 3:9-12 Then the LORD God called to Adam and said to him, “Where are you?” So he said, “I heard Your voice in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; and I hid myself.”
And He said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you that you should not eat?” Then the man said, “The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I ate.”
I know there are some who look at this passage as Adam blaming Eve (especially the church), but I think Ray is showing a different perspective from that. I know from reading his teachings, he's highlighted the 'the woman whom You gave to be with me' excerpt. See below:
Excerpt from Mobile Conference 2006 (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3720.msg27966.html#msg27966):
Now an interesting thing. It says in Tim. 2:14, that when Eve took the forbidden fruit she was deceived, the serpent had deceived her. But Adam was not deceived. Well if she was deceived, and she ate the fruit. Why did Adam eat it? He wasn’t deceived, so why did he eat it? Why didn’t he say you dumb female, you stupid wife of mine. How could you do such a dumb thing. No, no he did not. She gave him some and he ate it too.
Why would he do that? He knew. Because God told him first, and He told him specifically. And we know Eve knew because she said to the serpent, “God has said.” But first He said it to Adam before he created Eve. You can eat of every tree but of this tree you can not and the day you eat there of you will DIE. (Gen. 2:16-17)
In the Hebrew, ‘to die you shall be dying.” You will begin to die, you will be mortal and just die. You will be mortal and come to old age and die. So he knew that, he knew that when Eve ate it she was going to die. He longed for that woman so long and now she is going to die. He loved her so much, he said if she is going to die, I’m going to die with her, and he ate the fruit. He knew full well he would die, and he said I’m going with her. I’m not going to let her go alone, you see. So he was willing to die for that woman.
You see any spiritual connections?
Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for it [He died],
v. 26 that He might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the Word,
v. 27 that He might present it to Himself as the glorious church, without spot or wrinkle or any such things, but that it should be holy and without blemish.
v. 28 So men ought to love their wives as their own bodies.
The first woman came from the body of man.
v. 28 “He who loves his wife loves himself.
v. 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, even as the Lord loves the church.
v. 30 For we are members of His body, of His flesh, and of His bones.”
Adam said to the woman, she is flesh of my flesh, bone of my bone, she came out of me.
So we are members of His body, flesh of his flesh and it says;
Gen 2:24 For this cause, will a man leave his father and his mother, and cleave unto his wife, and they shall become one flesh.
When a man and a woman are united in sexual intercourse their bodies are inside of each other. I mean that’s a pretty good connection, that’s not just a hand shake. Your bodies are literally inside of each other (I hope I’m not too gross, but there are no children). They are one flesh, in that relationship, you see. And that is why you’re not supposed to fornicate with prostitutes. Because when you’re joined to a prostitute you’re one flesh too, and that’s an abomination. You cling to your wife, not your wife and your girl friend and the local whore. Your wife, because your one flesh, you see.
This is a great mystery it says. But I’m speaking concerning Christ and His church. The relationship of Christ with the church, it's typified by the relationship of a loving husband and a loving wife in sexual intercourse. When they are so emotionally intertwined with one another, that they are literally one flesh. This is the relationship we’re going to have with God. Christ refers to the church as the Bride of Christ.
The bride is going to be all decorated, by that we mean, made spotless and sure and clean, character wise. A fitting Bride for the creator of the universe.
As Ray points out, the apostle Paul likened the relationship of a husband & wife to Christ and the church. This is the same parallel that Ray highlights when he notes how Adam was willingly to die for his bride as Christ is for His bride.
Now while they are parallel or similar, they are not the same. Paul notes how Adam is a shadow of Christ throughout his epistles, but a shadow is not the same as the original. Just something to keep in mind.
Marques
grapehound:
Thanks Marques
Excellent stuff
Grape
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