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Adam and Adam's love for Eve
Kat:
1Co 15:45 So also it is written, The first man Adam became a living soul. The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
v. 46 Howbeit that is not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; then that which is spiritual.
Adam was a natural man and repersents the physical. As Marques said this is the physical shadow that comes first. Adam 'phileo' loved his wife as much as he could as a natural man, this was not a godly agape love, it was a recipicating type love a man has for his wife.
The last Adam - Christ takes this love to the spiritual level and shows what a selfless 'agapao' love is He has for His church and ultimately for all humanity.
This is from the 'Love' Bible study.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3719.msg27959.html#msg27959 ---
Remember I gave you two definitions, and I said agapao is like a one-way street. The good Samaritan did not expect anything in return, for helping that man, who was dying on the side of the road, it’s a one-way love.
But then I said, this phileo, this brotherly love, this affectionate love, this give you a kiss on the cheek love, this is like a two-way street. That the reason we have this love for a close friend or wife and children, is because they reciprocate. You hug them, they hug you back. You do a favor for them, they do a favor for you back. You help them, they help you, you feel sad, when they feel sad, they feel sad when you feel sad. That’s why you get so close, you support each other, you love each other, you’re physically in contact, you see.
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By the way, this was a revelation to me. Do you know several places in the New Testament, where it says "kiss," it means kiss (a smacking sound with the lips). Well guess what that word is? It’s the same word phileo.
Phileo not only means affectionate love and adoration, and fondness for fellow brothers or sisters, it means kiss. Because you kiss someone you’re fond of, that’s how close they are connected.
So God does not tell us, we have to phileo our enemies or that we have to phileo our next door neighbor.
Agapao is a more formal, it’s not a give and take, two-way street. It’s a one-way street, forgiving humanity for the evil that they have.
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God of love -agape, is a one-way street, God loves, He gives. It’s not based on whether the ones He gives it to, loves Him back.
While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us, right. Why? Because He loves us, “for God so loved the world.” That includes all these drug dealing, wife beating, God defying people. He so loved the world, did they love Him back? No, very few people love God back. It’s a one-way street... He loves. He’s the One that loves, not getting anything back for it, He loves.
But phileo love, is where two people are fond of each other and they’re responsive to each other. It has to do with affections, based on the approval of the one you’re giving out to, you see. Why are people friends? Because they reciprocate, right.
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So this is the manner in which God loves the world, with agapao love. A love that is undeserved, they’re not reciprocating. Let me give you another example of agapao love, not phileo love. Agapao love is when they crucified Christ, and He was dying, He prayed to His Father and said;
Luke 23:34 Father forgive them, for they don’t know what they are doing.
Now that’s agape love.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
Dawidos:
So Kolbe deciding to sacrifice his life for another man, completely strange for him, is an example of human type-agape love?
Kat:
Hi Dawidos,
Agape love is a love that you do not expect anything in return. It's like the sacrifical love that Christ had to die on the cross while we were yet sinners. So yes I think your example would fit.
Here is more from the 'Love' Bible study.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3719.msg27958.html#msg27958 ---
In the New Testament, we have the word agápē (we have a little different explanation for that) - a complex emotion arousing appreciation or delight in and desire for the presence of it’s object; as well as to please and promote it’s welfare.
Now here is the word phileo. We understand the word Philadelphia, the city of brotherly love, Philadelphia - it means to be fond of, responsive, affection based on approval and regard.
That’s a little complicated, basically it’s this. God of love -agape, is a one-way street, God loves, He gives. It’s not based on whether the ones He gives it to, loves Him back. While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us, right. Why? Because He loves us, “for God so loved the world.” That includes all these drug dealing, wife beating, God defying people. He so loved the world, did they love Him back? No, very few people love God back. It’s a one-way street... He loves. He’s the One that loves, not getting anything back for it, He loves.
But phileo love, is where two people are fond of each other and they’re responsive to each other. It has to do with affections, based on the approval of the one you’re giving out to, you see. Why are people friends? Because they reciprocate, right.
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We can love our neighbor, with an agape love, we don’t need to fellowship, hobnob with them or become part of what they are, in any way, shape or form. When God says, love your enemies. If it said you would have to phileo your enemies, then I would just have to take my 9 pages of notes here, tear them up, throw them away. Close the Bible and say, I have not a clue as to what this thing about love is, not a clue.
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Christ said, but I say unto you, love your enemies - agapao your enemies. Can you love your enemies and hate them at the same time? You say, 'no you can’t, that’s a contradiction.' Well, let’s think about that for a second. Could God hate Esau and love him a the same time? Not only could He, the Bible tells us that, and it shows that He did. He shows more favor to Jacob then He did for Esau. Yet you can find some pretty strong promises and blessings (even though He said I hate Esau), you can find blessings on Esau in the Bible I can show you them.
God said, I hate liars and people that cause discord and everything, yet I gave My own Son for the world. Why? Because I agapao them. God thinks beyond their couple of three score and ten years of hate and criminality. I look beyond that, and I see their future - agapao. Maybe we need to learn to do that too. If we’re going to be like God, right.
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Why does God love us, His elect? Because we loved Jesus Christ and to the Father that is the same as loving Him. Because no man has ever seen the Father or heard His voice at any time. But Jesus has made Himself known, in Spirit, in the Comforter and through His Word, you see.
So there’s your phileo love and it’s God’s definition. God agape loves us, even if we spit in His face. But that’s the reason He phileo loves us and He loves us and not the world. He does not, so phileo the world, it is not in there. He agape’s the world and not phileo them.
The only places you will see God phileo anyone, is His Son and us, the Elect, no one else. Those who reciprocate, He loves us because He said (He is talking to His disciples now), My Father loves you and they didn’t know that before. But He said, I am telling you, My Father loves you, and the reason is, "because you loved Me." I’ve given them Your Word, I’ve been teaching you, it’s the same as the Father. The words that I speak, Christ said, they are the Father’s (John 14:10). The things that I do, the works that I do, it’s all the Father. You accepted and reciprocated and love Me for it, and that is why My Father loves you. There it is!
So we need to have this agape love for our neighbors. Maybe we don’t like them, maybe they’re not even good people, for our enemies, surely aren’t good people, or there would not be a reason for them to be your enemy.
For the whole world, we have to have this agapao love. But no where does God say we have to phileo them, or love them with affection, like a brotherly love, where we would hug them or give them a kiss.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
judith collier:
Oatmeal, Jesus said, "If you love me then my father who is in heaven will love you and I will manifest myself to you"
What a most gracious undeserved love is this that a God for the mere sake of our human affection towards Him would show Himself to us. And Yet he does! Adore Him, praise Him, love Him and once you get a taste of that love of His you will begin to grow in it and that by His doing also.
love, judy
Oatmeal:
Adam was shocked. He never knew such despair existed. Sobs wracked his wife’s body. His wife. His own flesh. Her perfectly formed breasts quivered with each word that she spoke, such was the intensity of her speech and of her emotion: “I didn’t know. He tricked me.” “Please”, she pleaded, as she held the fruit out to his lips, please don’t let me die alone, please be with me. I am so afraid”. Adam looked into her eyes, those beautiful eyes, eyes now filled with tears and despair and her pleading. He took her hand, the one that held the fruit to his lips, and firmly supported it from behind. He looked deep into her eyes. Hesitating for just one fraction of a second, he bit deeply into the fruit.
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