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"You are not of my sheep"
Hopeful:
--- Quote from: Arion on March 09, 2011, 07:10:48 PM ---We have the many and the few...the called and the choosen. We find those woven all throughout the scriptures and Ray's teachings. In this age many are called and few are choosen. In this age most are not his sheep. But, we know that this age is not the end of the story although the churches of babylon tell us this. Those who are not his sheep in this age will become his sheep in the ages to come when every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess to the glory of God that Jesus Christ is Lord!!
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This helps somewhat. :)
Still, a little more explicitly scriptural declarations would be helpful.
I'm sorry to bother you with my doubting mind, I really am, but years of Calvinist indoctrination have made it very hard for me to see this verse in any other light. :-[
Revilonivek:
Hey, I'm new here... I can relate to how you feel. Here's what God says about this. we all know that when God wills something, it will come to pass.. HE is not willing any of us perish. here's the proof, in the parable here. It shows how God feels about us.
Matthew 18:12-14 (King James Version)
12How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?
13And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.
Luke 15:1-16 (King James Version)
Luke 15
notice Luke 15:7
1Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.
2And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.
3And he spake this parable unto them, saying,
4What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?
5And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.
6And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.
7I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
8Either what woman having ten pieces of silver, if she lose one piece, doth not light a candle, and sweep the house, and seek diligently till she find it?
9And when she hath found it, she calleth her friends and her neighbours together, saying, Rejoice with me; for I have found the piece which I had lost.
10Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.
14Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
Isaiah 45:23 (KJV)
23I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
hope it helps :)
arion:
--- Quote from: Hopeful on March 09, 2011, 07:24:40 PM ---
--- Quote from: Arion on March 09, 2011, 07:10:48 PM ---We have the many and the few...the called and the choosen. We find those woven all throughout the scriptures and Ray's teachings. In this age many are called and few are choosen. In this age most are not his sheep. But, we know that this age is not the end of the story although the churches of babylon tell us this. Those who are not his sheep in this age will become his sheep in the ages to come when every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess to the glory of God that Jesus Christ is Lord!!
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This helps somewhat. :)
Still, a little more explicitly scriptural declarations would be helpful.
I'm sorry to bother you with my doubting mind, I really am, but years of Calvinist indoctrination have made it very hard for me to see this verse in any other light. :-[
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You have to work your way through the website Hopeful....it's all in there. You could start with the seminal 'Lake of Fire' series or even Ray's latest paper on 'Hell is a Christian Hoax'. Ray breaks all the scriptures down and exposes the false teachings of the various churches and then nails them down and bookends them. It just takes time and God will bring you along and make all these things clear in time.
Blessings,
Doug
Duane:
Bpenneli... I would personally like to thank you for the inordinate amount of time and effort it took to compile such a complete answer to the question of "universal salvation".
I especially like to ponder: EXACTLY what does it take to "accept Christ as your Savior"? Answer: "Believe on the Lord, Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be (becoming) saved. A process, initiated BY the individual believer.
Now, my point: To me, it makes no sense that God would deliver those who died and supposedly went straight to Hell, temporarily out og hell, have them stand before Him, fulfill the "EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW AND EVERY TONGUE CONFESS THAT JESUS CHRIST IS LORD TO THE GLORY OF THE FATHER" and then say "OK, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, now every one can RETURN and spend an eternity suffering in hell"!
I mean: If the above capitalized declaration of/to God, isn't sufficient for salvation--WHAT IS?? Are they supposed to
read the words off the back of some tract to be officially saved--and it's too late?? I think not.
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Hopeful on March 09, 2011, 07:24:40 PM ---This helps somewhat. :)
Still, a little more explicitly scriptural declarations would be helpful.
I'm sorry to bother you with my doubting mind, I really am, but years of Calvinist indoctrination have made it very hard for me to see this verse in any other light. :-[
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One of the threads on our FAQ board is '100 Verses Proclaiming the Salvation of All' - http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,11798.0.html
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