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He wants to what?!
Ireland:
You are right Dennis, at least in my experiences. When I was younger a sense of emotion and feelings was closely associated with my walk with God. It seems as I age and go through more trials there are fewer feelings of love etc. and more a sense of longing for his return. I know we must endure, but boy is it impossible without his doing. Some will not agree with this, but that is OK because we are all at different stages. At least for me this life seems to be full of much sorrow wrapped around a few moments of joy. Good day to all here.
santikos:
some have a past and/or a present that allows them to not learn how to be loved. I believe we must learn how to be loved just like we learn to love. sometimes we must just slow down and sit on our Heavenly Father's lap. Ray said he wants to hug us. what a great truth, the question is do you want to be hugged or do you get squimesh because of your past or present? Just rest on his lap and be loved.
Kat:
Do not confuse God not hugging us while He is chastizing us with His not loving us. God ALWAYS loves us, even durning correction. We must go through some difficult things, but not because God is mad at us. These are necessary things for our preparation, but He loves us always.
Eph 2:4 yet God, being rich in mercy, because of His vast love with which He loves us.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
GaryK:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on March 30, 2011, 09:08:56 AM ---God does not beat us and immediately comfort/hug us.
God comforts you when it's time and in your best interest.
--- End quote ---
I hope you're right Dennis because at this point in life, and I know I'm not alone (just perhaps one of a few who will actually admit it), at this point my hatred against God ebbs and flows from day to day, some days weak, some days intense. Purposeful? Don't know. Doesn't seem to be. Is there anything that 'we' do that isn't in his plan, including how our emotions peak and valley? You tell me, because, my sight grows dim and 'my' faith is probably at it's lowest point ever. Ray speaks of hatred against God. I've read it. Don't know if I care to read it again since looking in that mirror is goulish, and that's putting it mildly. I hear Ray, and you, and others. It all makes sense and it fits, awkwardly in a way, but it still makes sense. But I don't understand God. As for the 'comfort in best interest and time', how does one take that without a grain of salt when.....'looking backwards'......as Ray teaches, one doesn't see downed and burned trees, forests and mountains turned to valleys, or slick grassy roads with roses on each side, etc,....but sees a path of destruction that has wound it way for years of years without re-construction and the road forward seems just more of the same based on the history of the road travelled? You know what I mean, circumstances beget circumstances, and all at the helm of God's control. How does one get happy about the 'race' that Paul says run? Should we just be happy that god beats the h#ll out of us on and on and just simply smile and say "oh, but can't you just FEEL the love?". Bull. Sounds like church crap.
From a 'hugging' God? I challenge that (at this time).
I'm not talking of just myself, but yes that too.
I'm also talking about those who were born without EVER having a chance of anything good. Bad health. Bad mental capacity. Bad side of the world to be born in, etc etc etc.
And we have 'us'....those who have been given the opportunity to read the blessings of Ray's insighted gifting, when all in all, we're no better than anyone, Ray or no Ray, God or no God. Dust to dust. Period.
Don't take me wrong please, I cherish Ray and his blessings from god and to us, and I pray I never turn those books to dust boxes, but still....after years and years of wondering and wandering, it's time for this 'hugging' god who 'gives in due time and comfort' to cut a few breaks for a breath of fresh air. (and not to mention Ray who he, himself, is a shining lamp to others, never complaining and full of faith, considering what he and his family has, and is, going through)
God I'm so da#@ grim, but, I speak truth.
Dennis, I appreciate your postings on the topic especially that you don't flower it, you just tell the truth.
So and but, all these 'blessings' from a 'hugging' God?
I'll say it like I say it to God just about every single day over mine and his (minus him) cups of coffee: 'cut me (and a whole bunch of others) some slack'.
Samson:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on March 30, 2011, 09:08:56 AM ---God does not beat us and immediately comfort/hug us.
Everyone who goes through the lake of fire in this life will feel forsaken at some point.
I used that example because God likens us to little children.
Heb 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye ********, and not sons.
It's not hard to feel God's love when things are going fairly well. But when God decides it's time for you to learn a lesson, you will not be happy with God or what He is putting you through.
I know there are members here going through very hard times and could use just a little joy. But they are not getting it, at least not yet.
And there are some here who have endured chastisement and would not sell their hard fought wisdom for all the money in the world.
God comforts you when it's time and in your best interest.
--- End quote ---
Hi Dennis & Kat,
I've been following this Thread and will direct My response mostly to Dennis and secondly to Kat. Great responses. Dennis your two Posts, especially this one Hit the nail on the head. My Mother-Law-In is going through much difficulty with past family events & current ones that have & are emotionally abusing Her, so I read Your responses regarding Scourging & chastening accompanied by Your example of a Parent correcting their Children. Also, Our not feeling Joy & not liking what God's doing to us when things are not going well and Kat reassuring us that He still Loves us during these stressful experiences.
You don't Post much Dennis, but that's just what My Mother-In-Law and I needed to hear. An Amen to You !
Thanks, Samson.
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