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dave:
This verse is the only time we find "spiritual body" in the Word of God. (1 Cor.15:44) And we find that it is single, not plural as bodies. Still I would venture to say that most all ministers talk about man having or will have spiritual bodies in the hearafter or when we die. There is also much talk of "spiritual beings" definition of being a : the quality or state of having existence b (1) : something conceivable as existing (2) : something that actually exists.... Again there is no "spiritual being(s)" in the Bible, or even the word "being" used in the sense of (2) : something that actually exists
1Co 15:44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body; there is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body;
BODY G4983 sōma the body (as a sound whole) from G4982 sōzō From a primary word σῶς sōs̄ (contraction for the obsolete σάος saos, “safe”); to save, that is, deliver or protect (literally or figuratively): - heal, preserve, save (self), do well, be (make) whole.
This tells me that a body is sound..[.sound].. from dictionary (a : free from injury or disease b : free from flaw, defect, or decay) examples.....a building of sound construction ........The bridge is structurally sound.
I have accepted the teaching that we will have spiritual bodies at the resurrection. Also I have always heard the phrase "spiritually dead" and "spiritually alive"
as well as "alive in the spirit," and again I cannot find that teaching information in the Word of God. I reason that if there were "spiritual bodies" "spiritually dead" "spiritually alive" "die spiritually" that Paul would have taken the time to inform us of these sensations or phases, or changes.
The verse in ICor.15:44 reads that mankind is sown(or began) a natural(sensitive that is, animate)
it is raised(aroused or awaken from sleep) spiritual(non-carnal) and we know from 1Co 15:45 so also it hath been written, `The first man Adam became a living creature,' the last Adam is for a life-giving spirit, .....this verse tells me that when the natural body(first adam) will be raised a spiritual body(second adam
This all makes me reason and except that we do not recieve spiritual bodies when we die or when resurrected, that there is no such thing as spiritually dead, except in christian religion teaching. This is what my Bible reads, Eph 4:4 one body and one Spirit, according as also ye were called in one hope of your calling;
2Ti 2:11 Faithful is the saying: For if we died with him, we shall also live with him:
I am open for instruction and reproof.
G. Driggs:
--- Quote from: micah7:9 on April 28, 2011, 10:05:07 PM ---Also I have always heard the phrase "spiritually dead" and "spiritually alive"
as well as "alive in the spirit," and again I cannot find that teaching information in the Word of God. I reason that if there were "spiritual bodies" "spiritually dead" "spiritually alive" "die spiritually" that Paul would have taken the time to inform us of these sensations or phases, or changes.
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True we can't find the specific phrase "spiritually dead", but we can know this is what Paul is referring to when he says....
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is deathG2288; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is deathG2288; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
G2288
θάνατος
thanatos
than'-at-os
From G2348; (properly an adjective used as a noun) death (literally or figuratively): - X deadly, (be . . .) death.
"Death" can be used either literally or figuratively (spiritually).
The parable of the Prodigal Son is a good example of "death" being used figuratively.
Luk 15:21 And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.
Luk 15:22 But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:
Luk 15:23 And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:
Luk 15:24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.
Here is another where Jesus uses "death" figuratively.
Mat 8:21 And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
Mat 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.
How can literally dead people bury other literally dead people? I can't imagine what else Jesus would be saying except let spiritually (figuratively) dead people bury literally dead people. Know what I mean? :)
To me if I'm living an sinful carnal life style then I'm spiritually dead without Christ. But if sin no longer has dominion over me then I'm spiritually alive in and through Christ, because Christ is "the way, the truth, and the life" (Joh 14:6).
Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Hope I made sense, if not then here are a few short excerpts where Ray talks about the "spiritually dead" that should help.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,6142.0.html
GREATER WORKS
But just like when God said to Israel, I’m choosing you, it was a shadow. Now Christ came and we say, at last now we have the real thing. That was right, He was the real thing. He was the Seed!
But part of this gospel involves judging, right. Peter said it involves judging the quick and the dead. Did Jesus Christ judge the quick and the dead when He was here? Some of this remains and has yet to a fulfillment and it has to. I will tell you why it has to. Jesus Christ told His disciples…
John 14:12 Truly, truly, I say to you, He who believes on Me, the works that I do he shall do also, and greater works than these he shall do, because I go to My Father.
He healed the sick, gave vision to the blind, caused the lame to walk, caused the dead to live… you’re going to do greater things than that. Oh really? And what might that be Lord?
I’ve had people ask me numerous times, ‘Ray can you walk on water, have you raised the dead, have you…?’ As a matter of fact I have. Which is greater, to raise somebody back to physical life, so that they can physically die again or to raise someone who is spiritually dead to spiritual life? God is doing greater things through the called, chosen, Elect few of His church, than He did in His own ministry, when He fed 5000, walked on the water, calmed the storm, healed the sick and raised the dead. He said we would do… “greater things,” they are greater. They are not greater if you’ve got a carnal mind, they are not greater then, it sounds like foolishness. That’s what it will sound like to you, unless you have the spiritual mind to see it.
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http://www.bible-truths.com/lake16-D5.htm
"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God: and the books were opened, and another book was opened which is the books of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their WORKS" (Rev. 20:12).
"And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death" (Rev. 20:13-14).
When the "dead... stand," we are being presented with a resurrection from the dead. For this is exactly what resurrection means (anastasis in Greek means, "to stand up again"--See Strong's #386 translated 'resurrection'). It is in resurrection that "the dead... stand" before God. And yes, since we know Revelation is a book of spiritual symbols, we would be correct in stating that it is "the SPIRITUALLY dead" who are standing before God. Aspects of this Judgment:
[1] "the dead, small and great stand [resurrected] before God"
[2] they are judged according to the books, according to their works
[3] "the sea [the sea of wicked humanity] give up its [spiritually] dead"
[4] this includes "every man" [Gk: 'each one or 'every one' or 'every person']
[5] "death [the cause] and hell [the realm] are cast into the lake of fire"
[6] and those "not found in the Book of Life were cast into the Lake of Fire"
[7] this "Lake of Fire is the Second Death"
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http://www.bible-truths.com/lake4.html
And so this Prodigal SINNED, was LOST, and spiritually DIED. Surely he is outside of the realm of salvation now. No, he is in the perfect realm FOR SALVATION. How many millions of times this parable of the Prodigal Son has been read, but how many times has its truth ever been understood and perceived? This prodigal was, according to his father, "DEAD." And it was after his father said that he was "dead" that he welcomed him back, forgave him, exalted him, and rewarded him! Now who says one can’t be saved after death. It is after death that most of humanity will be saved.
May God finally grant you to SEE SOMETHING SPIRITUAL! Parables are NOT literal, that’s why they are called "parables" instead of "history." This parable pictures the carnal mind going the way of the flesh. What are the wages of living a riotous life in the alien land of lustful Babylon? Is it "life and joy in the holy spirit?" I speak as fool. Here is the wages of riotous and carnal living in the hog pens of Babylon: "For the wages of sin is DEATH..." (Rom. 6:23). SPIRITUAL DEATH! What must happen AFTER we spiritually DIE? "JUDGMENT!" The spiritual DEAD must be JUDGED. Does judging CORRECT the spiritually dead sinners? Yes it does. That is what the parable of the Prodigal Son is all about. God’s "ways and means" ALWAYS WORK!
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http://www.bible-truths.com/lazarus.html
PARABLES MUST ALWAYS BE INTERPRETED
Parables are not to be taken literally. They are to be understood "figuratively." The real meaning is not in what they literally say, but in what the symbols and figurative language represent. That’s why they are called "parables." This is axiomatic!
Let us turn to some parables for proof of this point:
The Prodigal Son (Luke 15:32)
"...this thy brother was dead..."
Comment: He wasn’t literally "dead." He came home again "alive." God did not resurrect him from the dead. The Resurrection is yet future.
So the prodigal was NOT literally dead, but from the perspective of his father, he was as good as dead or he could have been considered Spiritually dead.
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Peace micah,
G.Driggs
dave:
With a great deal of humility I say I do not understand what you say. I believe in spirit, I believe in spirutual. I am mystified tho, of "spiritually dead" and we will have "spiritual bodies." I believe that there is ONE body and that there is ONE spirit, where I become suspicious is the "spiritual bodies" thing.
As long as those of us who are reasoning the things of God, one of the most important things is the understanding, reasoning, and accepting that however we see, however we attempt to understand,,,we must come to the foundation and beginning, that there is only ONE, and our seeking and digging must start with one and end with one.
Akira329:
--- Quote from: micah7:9 on April 28, 2011, 10:05:07 PM ---This verse is the only time we find "spiritual body" in the Word of God. (1 Cor.15:44) And we find that it is single, not plural as bodies.
1Co 15:44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body; there is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body;
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I have accepted the teaching that we will have spiritual bodies at the resurrection.
The verse in ICor.15:44 reads that mankind is sown(or began) a natural(sensitive that is, animate)
it is raised(aroused or awaken from sleep) spiritual(non-carnal) and we know from 1Co 15:45 so also it hath been written, `The first man Adam became a living creature,' the last Adam is for a life-giving spirit, .....this verse tells me that when the natural body(first adam) will be raised a spiritual body(second adam
This all makes me reason and except that we do not recieve spiritual bodies when we die or when resurrected, that there is no such thing as spiritually dead, except in christian religion teaching.
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How do you accept the teaching that we have spiritual bodies at resurrection but conclude that we don't using the same verse??
Here is what Paul said,
1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It (the body) is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Co 15:43 It (the body) is sown in dishonour; it (the body) is raised in glory: it (the body) is sown in weakness; it (the body) is raised in power:
1Co 15:44 It (the body) is sown a natural body; it (the body) is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
Antaiwan
JohnMichael:
One body is referring to God's people, His chosen, His elect. The word body is not referring to muscle, skin, bones, and tendons when mentioned in that verse.
Eph 4:4 one body and one Spirit, according as also ye were called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 1:22 and all things He did put under his feet, and did give him--head over all things to the assembly,
Eph 1:23 which is his body, the fulness of Him who is filling the all in all,
Remember:
1. No one verse is of its own interpretation (2 Pet 1:20)
2. Never let assumption fill in the blanks - that's how false doctrines get started.
Hope this helps :)
John
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