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The Second Beast
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: JohnMichael on May 06, 2011, 02:32:55 PM ---Kat & Others,
I remember reading that passage, and a thought occurred to me while rereading it.
What if the two "Beasts" are just the two sides of the same coin?
Babylon would definitely fit into the description of Beast #2, but isn't Babylon an outward expression of man's self-righteousness (and all the false doctrines and deceptions that come with it)?
Beast #1 is man thinking himself a god. He believes he has free will, and he can thwart the Will of God. Man is deceived into thinking he himself can do anything. He sits on the throne of his own heart, so to speak.
Beast #2 is what man sees himself able to do. He's building his house on the sand. He "chooses" to live "rightly" and has a "form of godliness." He sees himself doing all these marvelous works - stops smoking, goes to church, reads his bible, stops swearing, etc. This, in turn, reinforces his belief that he is the one doing it - God is just his mere co-pilot (in his mind). Man's self-righteousness leads him to, in reality, worship himself. He says to himself, "Look what I did! I was able to do this. I was able to do that. I am able to do anything."
Kat & Others, any thoughts on this?
John
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Babylon is not the beast but rather the woman who rides the beast [Rev 17:1-5]. The 2nd Beast is also referred to as the False Prophet in Rev 16, 19, & 20.
What you describe above are two descriptions of the same thing. Read more about the False Prophet in Revelation but, probably more importantly, read about the false prophets in Israel's time throughout the OT.
Hope this helps,
Marques
JohnMichael:
--- Quote from: mharrell08 on May 06, 2011, 02:42:02 PM ---
Babylon is not the beast but rather the woman who rides the beast [Rev 17:1-5]. The 2nd Beast is also referred to as the False Prophet in Rev 16, 19, & 20.
What you describe above are two descriptions of the same thing. Read more about the False Prophet in Revelation but, probably more importantly, read about the false prophets in Israel's time throughout the OT.
Hope this helps,
Marques
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The two are intertwined in the depiction of Revelation which leads me to believe that if the 1st beast is internal, then the 2nd would be also, and Revelation is a book of symbols describing past, present, and future. It can't, therefore, represent some boogeyman that has yet to come about. I will definitely continue to pray about this.
Kat:
Hi John,
Rev 13:1 And I saw a beast rising out of the sea...
I'm thinking of it like this, the first beast is all mankind born into carnal selfish flesh, a beast.
Rev 13:3 One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed... (ESV)
This beast has what "seems" to be a "mortal wound." So this first wound that we get, I'm thinking this is our 'first love.' This is the called, those that go into the church and so do have a fleeting glimpse of Jesus and do believe He is real. But this is not the chosen, yet. Here again is what Ray said.
Yes, when we fall on Christ we are broken, we are wounded (by the "sword" of God—Rev. 13:14 vs. Heb. 4:12). This is our human attempt at salvation. But then we fall, and our "deadly wound [which we received by the Word of God] was healed" (Rev. 13:3), we went back into the world, back into Babylon, thus leaving our first love. When the wound of the Sword of God’s Word that had slain us, is healed, we fall from the love of God, and we again turn our love to the world from which we came.
So the called get the first wound (first love) that their beast recieves, but then we fall away and the wound is healed, this is where most remain until they die physically. Only a very few will die to self in this life, that is when the Stone/Jesus Christ falls on us.
Mat 21:44 And he who falls on this Stone shall be broken (first love), but on whomever it shall fall (buried with Him), it will grind him to powder (die to self).
Rom 6:3 Do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into His death?
v. 4 Therefore we were buried with Him by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father; even so we also should walk in newness of life.
I hope this helps with what you were asking about.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Akira329:
Hey John,
These scriptures quickly come to mind:
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2Pe 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
2Pe 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
I believe these are the scriptures Marques is referring to.
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Looks like a duck to me!
I'll have to conclude that the second beast is the false prophet.
By the way, to my knowledge, no one one this site believes in the coming boogyman!LOL
Hope this helps John
Antaiwan
JohnMichael:
--- Quote ---I'll have to conclude that the second beast is the false prophet.
By the way, to my knowledge, no one one this site believes in the coming boogyman!LOL
Hope this helps John
Antaiwan
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LOL, oh I know. I was thinking aloud when I said that. That comment wasn't directed at anyone.
I've been wondering who/what the 2nd Beast/False Prophet represents. That was my question. :)
However, I don't want to bring contention or strife or any other negative thing. Only vanity and pride insist on being right. God will show me when He decides. :)
John
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