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The Second Beast
Kat:
Hi Antaiwan,
--- Quote ---I'll have to conclude that the second beast is the false prophet.
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I thought this email concerning the false prophet might help us understand it better.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php?topic=7426.0 ----
I have some questions here.
Do you believe that Satan (the Devil) and his angels are also going to be reconciled?
COMMENT: Yes, course. They will be "judged" just like everyone else, and in Judgment all will learn "righteousness" (Isa. 26:9, etc., etc., etc.)
What about the Anti-Christ,
COMMENT: Scripturally there is no such thing as "THE antichrist."
False Prophet,
COMMENT: The "false prophet," is not one person, but a system, and yes, they will be severely JUDGED and made right. (Phil. 2:9-11, Eph. 1:10, etc., etc., etc.)
and all of those who take the Mark of the Beast and/or bow before him during the Great Tribulation? Do you believe that they will be reconciled?
COMMENT: Those who take the mark of the beast are virtually the entire population of humanity, so yes, of course, God will judge them and purify their evil and wicked ways.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
Akira329:
--- Quote ---The "false prophet," is not one person, but a system, and yes, they will be severely JUDGED and made right. (Phil. 2:9-11, Eph. 1:10, etc., etc., etc.)
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I agree with that comment Kathy! :)
I didn't think anyone thought that it was any one person.
Just being funny John, no contention here ;)
--- Quote ---God will show me when He decides.
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Just stay close to the scriptures and it will come :)
Antaiwan
Kat:
Hi Antaiwan,
I guess what I was thinking is that we all have went into the church/Babylon where the first beast receives the deadly wound and it is in the church that it is healed, by serving the manmade doctrines instead of God. So then we have this second rising of the beast that must be put down, if we are to be one of the Elect. But would we all be considered false prophets? I don't know, but I was thinking that this is the preachers/teachers in the Babylonian system. At least that is what I was thinking that email indicated. Just trying to come to a better understanding through these discussions.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Akira329:
--- Quote from: Kat on May 07, 2011, 01:03:46 PM ---
Hi Antaiwan,
I guess what I was thinking is that we all have went into the church/Babylon where the first beast receives the deadly wound and it is in the church that it is healed, by serving the manmade doctrines instead of God. So then we have this second rising of the beast that must be put down. But would we all be considered false prophets? I don't know, but I was thinking that this is the preachers/teachers in the Babylonian system. At least that is what I was thinking that email indicated. Just trying to come to a better understanding through these discussions.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Oh, I see what your saying Kathy!
I guess thats where this comment comes in:
Yes, when we fall on Christ we are broken, we are wounded (by the "sword" of God—Rev. 13:14 vs. Heb. 4:12). This is our human attempt at salvation. But then we fall, and our "deadly wound [which we received by the Word of God] was healed" (Rev. 13:3), we went back into the world, back into Babylon, thus leaving our first love. When the wound of the Sword of God’s Word that had slain us, is healed, we fall from the love of God, and we again turn our love to the world from which we came.
This comment would represent false teachers/preachers/prophets?
You know, I've never considered that I may be a false prophet. Especially when I was a part of the church.
I have always thought that me(the beast) is influenced by the false prophet or false systems of beliefs. (same difference)
another script comes to mind:
Mat 12:43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
Mat 12:44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
Mat 12:45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.
Do you think it relates?
Antaiwan
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Akira329 on May 07, 2011, 03:02:52 PM ---This comment would represent false teachers/preachers/prophets?
You know, I've never considered that I may be a false prophet. Especially when I was a part of the church.
I have always thought that me(the beast) is influenced by the false prophet or false systems of beliefs. (same difference)
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--- Quote from: Kat on May 07, 2011, 01:03:46 PM ---But would we all be considered false prophets? I don't know, but I was thinking that this is the preachers/teachers in the Babylonian system. At least that is what I was thinking that email indicated.
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And that is exactly what the scriptures state as well. We all are 'brute beasts', but not all of us are false prophets. The same way that everyone lies, but not everyone is a lying spirit.
--- Quote from: JohnMichael on May 06, 2011, 03:18:31 PM ---The two are intertwined in the depiction of Revelation which leads me to believe that if the 1st beast is internal, then the 2nd would be also, and Revelation is a book of symbols describing past, present, and future. It can't, therefore, represent some boogeyman that has yet to come about. I will definitely continue to pray about this.
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From reading the OT, false prophets have always spoken 'in His name':
Jer 14:14 the LORD said to me, “The prophets prophesy lies in My name. I have not sent them, commanded them, nor spoken to them; they prophesy to you a false vision, divination, a worthless thing, and the deceit of their heart."
Ezek 22:28 Her prophets plastered them with untempered mortar, seeing false visions, and divining lies for them, saying, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD,’ when the LORD had not spoken.
One of the false prophet's 'great sign' is to make fire come down from heaven, but this is only to deceive all but the Elect [Rev 13:14, Matt 24:24]. God's Word is said to be 'like a fire' ['Is not My Word like as a Fire?' - Jer 23:29 & Jer 5:14]. So they have the appearance of God's Ministers of Flame [Ps 104:4, Heb 1:7], but in actuality, are messengers of Satan [speak like a dragon [Rev 13:11]:
2 Cor 11:13-15 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.
One other example that differentiates between false prophets & the rest of humanity:
Jer 5:31 The prophets prophesy falsely, And the priests rule by their own power; And My people love to have it so...
2 Pet 2:1 There were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you...
How could the people 'love to have it so' if they were all false prophets? Who could they deceive if they all were false prophets? How could they 'come among the people' if all people were false prophets? Etc, etc, etc...
Also John, you, me and all humanity ARE the beast...not struggling with a beast 'internally'. I'm pretty sure you're no boogeyman either and I can see you just fine. :)
Is, Was, Will Be simply means the prophecies happen throughout all generations, not that everything is invisible. Sometimes Christ uses parables to describe things that anyone can see with their own 2 eyes. Also, just because something is 'intertwined' does not make it the same. Paul & Peter are 'intertwined' all through the New Testament, but they are two distinct people.
Hope this helps,
Marques
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