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Gina's insightful question
« on: May 24, 2011, 06:33:57 PM »

Dear Forum: I asked Gina if she would mind me posting her email and my reply
on the Forum--she consented. With my reply to Gina, I have now given you (our
Forum readers only, as it will be some time before I do a study and paper on this)
the key to understanding just Who God is. 

We will also delve into the "What"
aspect of God.  All of the Scriptures must agree or we are not understanding or
teaching properly.  I have said for many years that "Jesus IS GOD" (see pp 22-23
of my article "God is NOT a Trinity."  But if Jesus IS God and His Father IS God
don't we then have TWO GODS?  There is ONLY ONE GOD!  Yes, this does
appear to be an unsolvable enigma, but it is not unsolvable.  I have said and taught
further through the years that not only is Jesus God, but He is the ONLY GOD that
we will every truly know in this life.  And why do I say that?  Well for one thing, that
IS what the Scriptures teach:  "And this IS life eternal [eonian--'And this is the
Aionian Life..."--Emphatic Diaglott." ], that they might know Thee the only true God,
and Jesus Christ, Whom Thou has sent" (John 17:3).  Yes, it will take "aions/eons"
to come to know God the Father.  It won't happen in this life. So what is the purpose
of us receiving eonian life?  To come to "...know Thee the only true God..."

I am receiving emails from some who are trying to "beat me to the punch" so to speak, in
revealing just Who and/or What is our God.  I have neither the time nor the inclination
to go through all of these emails to critique all these speculations, but I am sure there
will be some who will attempt to to get their teaching on the Forum before I do.  I encourage
study and research, however, let's not be guilty of doing it for the sake of vanity.  And this
is not to say that some have some truthful insight into this subject, but there is so much
more to this teaching that just solving the riddle of how the Father and Son can both be God
if.....I say IF they are separate Beings with separate personalities.

"Hear O Israel, the LORD thy God is ONE LORD" (Deut. 6:4).

"I and My Father ARE ONE" (John 10:30).

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word [singular] WAS GOD" (John 1:1).

"I am the LORD, and there is non else, there is NO GOD BESIDE ME" (Isa. 45:5--"none
   else" ver. 14;  "none else" ver. 18; "none beside Me" ver. 21;  "I am God, there is none else"
   ver. 22;  "I am God, there is none like Me," Isa. 46:9;  "I am and there is none else beside
   Me," Isa. 47:8).

"There is none other God, BUT ONE...But to us there is BUT ONE GOD" (I Cor. 8:4 & 6).

"And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, 'Hear, O Israel; The Lord
our God is ONE LORD" (Mark. 12:29).

As to how many "Gods" there are, there is no argument!  There is but ONE GOD!  I have
now given you part of the answer, but there is much to follow.  We know what the Scripture
says, but how is it possible for two to be one God? There is an answer, but  I would ask
that you reserve sending me either questions or outlines of your own personal studies until
after I have an opportunity to publish my research.

I am working on a write-up on what "herbs" I take, and just what many of these "herbs" are
that God mentions in the Scriptures.

God be with you all,

Ray


----- Forwarded Message -----
Subject: Re: I have a question

Ray,

It's about your post on the forum to Kat's question.

You said,
"If we take out all the descriptive phrases we have this: "...there is one God,
the Father...AND one Lord Jesus Christ..." ..... What would happen if we
were to replace the comma (,) after the word  "Father" with a colon ( : )?
"But to us there is but one God: the Father...AND the Lord Jesus Christ...."

Why did you change the word "one" to the word "the"?   Is the word "one"
also spurious?

Thanks for your time.   No need to answer if you aren't feeling up to it.

Gina


Dear Gina:  Boy you are pretty observant, Gina.  Actually I did not intend to use the
article "the" at all, and I would shorten the statement even further to the lowest
number of words which would still retain Paul's premise. I just didn't want to try and
cover this teaching in an e-mail which will probably take a hundred pages. But let's
finish my thought, and I will then reserve further comment until I am ready to reveal
my findings.  The King James reads:

"But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom
are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by
whom are all things, and we by Him" (I Cor. 8: 6).

Notice the lite face type added by the translators to make Paul's statement mor
readable.  By taking out the added words we lose nothing:

"But to us one God, the Father, of whom all things, and we in Him,
and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom all things, and we by Him."

Paul's subject in this chapter is "idols."  So He is teaching Who the real God is.

Who is the "one God" of Whom he speaks?  He answers: "the FATHER," followed
by a description of the Father's role in the universe, but if we take out the description
of His role we loose nothing, as the thought is the same only shortened:  "to us there is
one God, THE FATHER. But Paul doesn't end his statement with a period. There is
more to follow.  He also speaks of "one Lord Jesus Christ" and a description of His
role in the universe.  Okay, let's leave out ALL the descriptive words describing both
of Their roles, and we have this:

"...to us...ONE GOD:  the Father...AND...Jesus."

I am not suggesting that this is the way to study all Scripture, by taking out
words, but I am trying to draw attention to the most important words.

Jesus said: "I [Jesus] and My Father are one" (John 10:30).  Who is the
"one" in Jesus's statement?  The Father?  NO--"the Father AND Jesus."
Wow.  Isn't that also what Paul really says in I Cor. 8:6?


God be with you,

Ray
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