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Adam's mother
mharrell08:
Gen 2:24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh
When the Pharisees approached Jesus to test Him, one of their questions was about marriage & divorce. Jesus quoted this passage of scripture to them in referring to Adam & Eve, who were joined as one.
So when God made this statement, who is the mother that the man (Adam) left to be joined with Eve? Is this further proof that Adam & Eve were not the first humans?
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: mharrell08 on June 13, 2011, 02:25:37 PM ---Gen 2:24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh
When the Pharisees approached Jesus to test Him, one of their questions was about marriage & divorce. Jesus quoted this passage of scripture to them in referring to Adam & Eve, who were joined as one.
So when God made this statement, who is the mother that the man (Adam) left to be joined with Eve? Is this further proof that Adam & Eve were not the first humans?
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Who was Eve's father and mother if she came from Adam and she was the mother of all living? Could Gen 2:24 just be a general statement applicable to future human beings other than Adam and Eve?
Or could the entire story of Adam and Eve be a parable since that seems to be God's preferred way of teaching? A snake that talks and stands upright; a Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil; a Tree of Life; the Tree of Life guarded by Cherubim and a flaming sword that moved in all directions; eating of forbidden fruit; God walking in the Garden in the cool of the day? Is all this literal or a parable?
daywalker:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on June 13, 2011, 05:44:52 PM ---
--- Quote from: mharrell08 on June 13, 2011, 02:25:37 PM ---Gen 2:24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh
When the Pharisees approached Jesus to test Him, one of their questions was about marriage & divorce. Jesus quoted this passage of scripture to them in referring to Adam & Eve, who were joined as one.
So when God made this statement, who is the mother that the man (Adam) left to be joined with Eve? Is this further proof that Adam & Eve were not the first humans?
--- End quote ---
Who was Eve's father and mother if she came from Adam and she was the mother of all living? Could Gen 2:24 just be a general statement applicable to future human beings other than Adam and Eve?
Or could the entire story of Adam and Eve be a parable since that seems to be God's preferred way of teaching? A snake that talks and stands upright; a Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil; a Tree of Life; the Tree of Life guarded by Cherubim and a flaming sword that moved in all directions; eating of forbidden fruit; God walking in the Garden in the cool of the day? Is all this literal or a parable?
--- End quote ---
You know, I've heard and considered this idea of the Story of Eden being a parable, but the one "flaw" that I haven't got any answers for is the genealogical records in the Bible. Example:
Luke 3:23-38 Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, the son of Heli,....... 38 the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.
I don't see how this could be explained (away)...seems there must've been a real "Adam" at some point.
As for the serpent, I don't believe it was an actual snake that walked up or slithered around the tree talking to Eve, I think it was Satan talking much in the same way he talks to anyone else--through their mind (like Judas for example):
John 13:2 During supper, when the devil had already put it into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, to betray him,
Before Satan actually "entered" or possessed Judas (verse 27), he had already been active in perverting his mind to betray Jesus. I'm thinking in the same way he 'worked' Eve's mind (though he never actually possessed her at any time). I don't believe that Eve ever actually "saw" anyone, though it appears somehow she was aware of his presence because she accuses him of tricking her (Gen 3:13). I could be wrong, but this is the way I see it.
Daywalker 8)
indianabob:
mharrell,
It is very hard to conceive of God making a precursor to the carnal being that was to be the ancestor of His only begotten son.
It is hard to imagine the precursor of "adam" as an upright hominid that lived in the wild and ate grass and foraged like a deer reproducing in kind until God chose to add a sentient mind capable of language and awareness of self and its creator.
The whole idea is repugnant.
Indiana Bob
--- Quote from: mharrell08 on June 13, 2011, 02:25:37 PM ---Gen 2:24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh
When the Pharisees approached Jesus to test Him, one of their questions was about marriage & divorce. Jesus quoted this passage of scripture to them in referring to Adam & Eve, who were joined as one.
So when God made this statement, who is the mother that the man (Adam) left to be joined with Eve? Is this further proof that Adam & Eve were not the first humans?
--- End quote ---
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: daywalker on June 13, 2011, 06:49:23 PM ---
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on June 13, 2011, 05:44:52 PM ---
--- Quote from: mharrell08 on June 13, 2011, 02:25:37 PM ---Gen 2:24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh
When the Pharisees approached Jesus to test Him, one of their questions was about marriage & divorce. Jesus quoted this passage of scripture to them in referring to Adam & Eve, who were joined as one.
So when God made this statement, who is the mother that the man (Adam) left to be joined with Eve? Is this further proof that Adam & Eve were not the first humans?
--- End quote ---
Who was Eve's father and mother if she came from Adam and she was the mother of all living? Could Gen 2:24 just be a general statement applicable to future human beings other than Adam and Eve?
Or could the entire story of Adam and Eve be a parable since that seems to be God's preferred way of teaching? A snake that talks and stands upright; a Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil; a Tree of Life; the Tree of Life guarded by Cherubim and a flaming sword that moved in all directions; eating of forbidden fruit; God walking in the Garden in the cool of the day? Is all this literal or a parable?
--- End quote ---
You know, I've heard and considered this idea of the Story of Eden being a parable, but the one "flaw" that I haven't got any answers for is the genealogical records in the Bible. Example:
Luke 3:23-38 Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, the son of Heli,....... 38 the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.
I don't see how this could be explained (away)...seems there must've been a real "Adam" at some point.
As for the serpent, I don't believe it was an actual snake that walked up or slithered around the tree talking to Eve, I think it was Satan talking much in the same way he talks to anyone else--through their mind (like Judas for example):
John 13:2 During supper, when the devil had already put it into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, to betray him,
Before Satan actually "entered" or possessed Judas (verse 27), he had already been active in perverting his mind to betray Jesus. I'm thinking in the same way he 'worked' Eve's mind (though he never actually possessed her at any time). I don't believe that Eve ever actually "saw" anyone, though it appears somehow she was aware of his presence because she accuses him of tricking her (Gen 3:13). I could be wrong, but this is the way I see it.
Daywalker 8)
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Being a "son of" can also be a parable or not literal. See Matthew 1:1. Jesus is called the son of David, the son of Abraham. That is not strictly true or literal. Adam is also the Hebrew word for "humanity".
Also your statement about Satan is an opinion. I yearn for absolute truth, not opinion. If a talking, standing serpent is not literal, which I have doubts about since I've never seen one ; how do we distinguish between literal and parable?
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