I confess that I am confused by this dialog and perhaps am missing some details that were previously discussed.
Thanks for any help you can provide.
Indiana Bob
The link from my comments above will take you to the 2008 conference transcript. It was at this conference that Ray began to teach about a number of subjects from the book of Genesis, including whether Noah's flood was local, the length of a day or 'yom', and how God obtained knowledge.
This conference started on a Saturday and lasted until Sunday morning. But on Friday, there was a small, informal session with Ray where he spoke at length on the idea that Adam & Eve were not the first humans. He only briefly mentions this at the actual conference:
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,8385.msg76394.html#msg76394--------------------------------------So He made the fowl of the air and the fish in the sea and on the next day before He made the first humans… I’m not sure that was Adam and Eve, because Adam comes along in chapter 2. But God said in verse 25, “And God made the wild-beast of the land after its kind, and the tame-beast after its kind, and every creeping thing of the ground, after its kind.”Ray taught that he believes there is a significant amount of time between God creating male & female in Genesis chapter 1 and God making Adam & Eve in Genesis chapter 2. Not only that, Ray also showed the Hebrew has different words to describe God 'creating' males & females in Genesis 1 compared to God 'making' Adam & Eve in Genesis 2:
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,9502.msg80842.html#msg80842----------------------------------------------In Genesis it says, “in the beginning God created,“ the word is bara and it means to bring in something new, something really new. In Exodus 20, it says “for in six days God made…” First of all, even the translators knew not to put create. They put “created” in Genesis 1:1, but not in Exodus 20:11. Why didn’t they put, for in six days God created the heavens and the earth? Because He didn’t do that in six days. Then what did He do in six days? He “made” the heavens and the earth. What’s the difference? All the difference in the world.
In Genesis 1:1, He brought into existence everything that exists in the universe. From day one through day six He formed all of that into everything as we now see it in the universe. Two totally different operations. Totally, totally different, they are not synonymous.
The word bara (created) and the word asah (made) are two different words and they mean two different things. In the beginning He created it all, it was all there. But it wasn’t until certain things transpired before He began His work of asah.And again, this was spoken at length
only at the informal session, not the actual conference. We have had a few members, who have believed that there were earlier humans than Adam & Eve for some time, take the information from this informal session and brought it to the forum. That's why it continues to come up from time to time.
If anyone does not agree with this premise of earlier humans, just know it's not worth debating. If it offends you, I can only suggest to steer clear of the subject when it arises. The moderators try not to let it run too rampant, but the purpose of the forum is about Ray's teachings, whether formal or informal. Too many members attended the informal session to just ignore.
Hope any and all members understand,
Marques