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The most important question
Joel:
In your question to your friend, you said "WHAT is the most important question" so you must think WHAT is. ;D
I think they all go hand in hand.
Who? God the Father.
What? sent his Son.
When? 2,000 years ago.
Where? Israel.
Why? God so loved the world.
How? Jesus died willingly on the cross.
:)Joel
Deborah-Leigh:
Jesus demonstrates the earnest, anguished prayer to God, to let the cup pass.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Jesus did not exhibit the love of power but the power of Love.
IMO, the cup did pass for Jesus and the Will of His Father was accomplished!
Arc
Drew:
I agree with Arc. All questions are convergent. Also, it makes no sense to me that the Son would ever ask anything of the Father that wouldn't be answered in the affirmative. Therefore, the cup did pass and Father's will was accomplished. Amen.
Thanks, Arc.
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on July 20, 2011, 03:11:42 AM ---
Jesus demonstrates the earnest, anguished prayer to God, to let the cup pass.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Jesus did not exhibit the love of power but the power of Love.
IMO, the cup did pass for Jesus and the Will of His Father was accomplished!
Arc
--- End quote ---
--- Quote from: Drew on July 20, 2011, 11:53:07 AM ---I agree with Arc. All questions are convergent. Also, it makes no sense to me that the Son would ever ask anything of the Father that wouldn't be answered in the affirmative. Therefore, the cup did pass and Father's will was accomplished. Amen.
Thanks, Arc.
--- End quote ---
No, the cup did not pass...that would have been contrary to the Father's Will:
Excerpt from Lake of Fire Part 15-B (http://bible-truths.com/lake15-B.html):
God said that He would "make" the soul of Jesus an offering for sin. God doing the "making" is the CAUSE. Therefore, Jesus was not free to run from the cross. God inspired Jesus [caused] Him to pray. And God caused Jesus to pray that His Father’s will, would be done, not His Own will. It was a real battle for a few hours. The will of Jesus cried out for another way other than to drink the cup and go to the cross. Hour after hour He poured out His heart to His Father. And hour after hour His Father propped Him up so that He would not and could not give in to His flesh.
God MADE Jesus go through that spiritual battle of His will, but never for a second was the plan of God in jeopardy! God had clearly prophesied the positive outcome of this battle hundreds of years before its actual occurrence. And absolutely nothing in the history of the universe has ever thwarted God’s plan, purpose or intention.
The Father inspired [caused, made] Jesus state time after time, "Not My will but Thine, Not My will but Thine, NOT MY WILL BUT THINE"!!
It was the very words of His Father that Jesus prayed. Those words that came out of the mouth of Jesus first came out of the heart of His Father, and God’s Words never ever return to Him void.
"So shall My word be that goes forth out of My mouth [and into the mouth of Jesus]: it shall NOT RETURN UNTO ME [as when Jesus prayed back those same words to His Father] VOID, but it SHALL ACCOMPLISH that which I please, and IT SHALL PROSPER in the thing whereto I sent it" (Isa. 55:11).
'To drink the cup' meant to die on the cross after extreme torture. This actually happened, it was not passed over, Jesus took up His cross and finished His Father's work.
Hope this helps,
Marques
John from Kentucky:
Marques is correct. That cup did not pass from Jesus.
Also, I respect Jesus for asking that the cup pass. Who in their right mind would want to go through torture? This shows me that Jesus was not a nut but had a sound mind.
Another lesson I learned from that prayer of Jesus. If the Father said no to Jesus, then the Father won't hesitate to say no to me. Many things that I have asked for in prayer, I have received an answer from the Father of NO!
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