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AK4:
Hi everyone and thanks for replying. Ive been away from my computer so i have not had a chance to read anyones response yet or even tell you guys which one i think is.  I still dont have time right now to read all of you guys responses, but i will.

Thanks
Anthony

Rene:
Sorry Anthony,  but your original question got lost along the way.:P  Business as usual. ;D

René

G. Driggs:

--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on July 20, 2011, 05:55:36 PM ---
But you say maybe Jesus was showing His "human" side.  What does that exactly mean?  What other side did He have?  He didn't have a split personality like the christian churches falsely teach--- a divine side and a human side.

John

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This quote from Ray should help explain what I was trying to say.

http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,11521.0.html

If Jesus was just another little Jewish boy, and there was nothing “divine” about Him, why was He not just born naturally like every other little Jewish boy? Or why not supernaturally by using the Virgin Mary? Why did He need to be “conceived” (impregnated) - given the first ingredient of LIFE by the Holy Spirit of God? Why? After all, “He’s just a man.” Would just an ordinary, natural born Jewish boy somehow not be qualified to be the flawless, perfect, sinless, Saviour of the world? Why not?

Does Jesus have to be 100% human OR 100% God - one or the other? Or was He 100% human AND 100% God - both at the same time? No!

Jesus was not 100% human nor 100% God. JESUS WAS TOTALLY UNIQUE. He was a divine being in the family of God, Who emptied Himself (Phil. 2:7) of His powerful Godly honors and dignities and title. Yet He retained some glory and honor (Heb. 2:9) when He was MADE (for a little while) lower than the angels for the suffering of death. But He was not 100% God, in that He had to ask His Father…

John 17:5  And now, O Father, glorify Thou Me with Thine own self with the glory which I had with Thee before the world was.
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My point was the human part of Him could be tempted in every way just like us, but His Father would not let Him give into it. It was that human part of Him that asked "let this cup pass".


--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on July 20, 2011, 05:55:36 PM ---He gave up all the power He had before His human birth.  He was made a little lower than the angels.  The breath of life came into Him and He became a living nephesh, a living human soul, subject to death.
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It's obvious He did not give up "all power" because He did a lot of miracles while on earth. But He did give up most of His "glory" and "honor".


--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on July 20, 2011, 05:55:36 PM ---
 I understand fully why He prayed to God asking, if it were possible, that another way be found other than what was to come.  He would have been a total psycho if He didn't ask for a way out

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He asked because He was tempted to take the easy way out, just like carnal humanity likes to do. But Jesus wasn't carnal, He was just tempted to do that. Which is why He prayed again "in accord with what must be" just as Ray said and proved through the Scriptures. In that way He was an perfect example for us on how to pray.

It's obvious we disagree, and the last I want is to get into a quarrel with you or anyone else. This is just the way I understand these things at this time. If I'm wrong and if it's important, I hope and pray God show me.


--- Quote from: Kat on July 20, 2011, 06:00:23 PM ---
But the Father must have really been longsuffering to watch His Son go through all that. He most certainly did not ignore His Son crying out in agony

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I totally agree Kat, thanks.

Isa 63:9  In all their affliction He was afflicted, and the Angel of His Presence saved them; in His love and in His pity He redeemed them; and He bore them, and carried them all the days of old.

 

Peace,

G.Driggs

p.s. Sorry for getting so off topic Anthony.

indianabob:
Dear friend G. Driggs,

One question about what you said about Jesus retaining "some" power in order that he could perform the miracles that he did while fulfilling his tasks.

Isn't it true that Jesus is quoted as saying that he did not do anything himself?
That all things were done by God the Father at Jesus' request?

Indiana Bob

onelovedread:
Here we go again. We've lost the thread of the original posting. C'mon guys, we're already impressed by your considerable knowledge and your skill at debating.

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