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I'm naked, are you?.....let's huddle.
GaryK:
LOVE NOT THE WORLD
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"Gen 2:25 And they were both naked…
What does that mean?
They were ‘spiritually’ naked.
You say, ‘no that means physical.’
It has a spiritual application, the words of Christ and the words of the book are Spirit! Yes they were physically naked and if that is all you see then you will never understand this book.
This says “they were naked” just like it says in Revelation 3 concerning the church at Laodicea.
Rev 3:17 Because you say, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and know not that you are wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and NAKED:
They weren’t going around without clothes. They were wretched and poor and spiritually naked. Adam and Eve were spiritually naked BEFORE they ate the fruit. That’s why they ate the fruit."
VVVV
I can see it, understand, and agree with Ray: “They were ‘spiritually’ naked.”
But.
Genesis 3
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
6And the woman seeth that the tree [is] good for food, and that it [is] pleasant to the eyes, and the tree is desirable to make [one] wise, and she taketh of its fruit and eateth, and giveth also to her husband with her, and he doth eat;
7 and the eyes of them both are opened, and they know that they [are] naked, and they sew fig-leaves, and make to themselves girdles.
Why Genesis 7 and a ‘physical’ application as a follow-up to a ‘spiritual’ nakedness? What’s the latter to do with the former?
Not seeing it.
gk
jnoah:
Could it be they were like the rest of us, and all religions and tried to cover themselves with some type of physical attire ( suit tie, fig leaf, long robe) as to not be ashamed and appear naked before God knowing not that we are all these things wretched, miserable an poor! JUST A THOUGHT
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: gk on July 29, 2011, 02:04:51 PM ---LOVE NOT THE WORLD
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3720.0.html
"Gen 2:25 And they were both naked…
What does that mean?
They were ‘spiritually’ naked.
You say, ‘no that means physical.’
It has a spiritual application, the words of Christ and the words of the book are Spirit! Yes they were physically naked and if that is all you see then you will never understand this book.
This says “they were naked” just like it says in Revelation 3 concerning the church at Laodicea.
Rev 3:17 Because you say, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and know not that you are wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and NAKED:
They weren’t going around without clothes. They were wretched and poor and spiritually naked. Adam and Eve were spiritually naked BEFORE they ate the fruit. That’s why they ate the fruit."
VVVV
I can see it, understand, and agree with Ray: “They were ‘spiritually’ naked.”
But.
Genesis 3
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
6And the woman seeth that the tree [is] good for food, and that it [is] pleasant to the eyes, and the tree is desirable to make [one] wise, and she taketh of its fruit and eateth, and giveth also to her husband with her, and he doth eat;
7 and the eyes of them both are opened, and they know that they [are] naked, and they sew fig-leaves, and make to themselves girdles.
Why Genesis 7 and a ‘physical’ application as a follow-up to a ‘spiritual’ nakedness? What’s the latter to do with the former?
Not seeing it.
gk
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They covered themselves with leaves. God covered them with skins of animals. God's covering was of better quality of their spiritual nakedness. First the physical, then the spiritual. God's solutions are better than man's. The Scriptures are filled with parables, stories, symbols that teach higher spiritual truths. It's just not in the New Testament that Jesus speaks in parables and symbols. The Truth is thereby hid from the Many. Only the Few can understand during this age. The Many see Genesis as a nice story and primarily literal and physical, just like children.
GaryK:
--- Quote from: jnoah on July 29, 2011, 03:52:25 PM ---Could it be they were like the rest of us, and all religions and tried to cover themselves with some type of physical attire ( suit tie, fig leaf, long robe) as to not be ashamed and appear naked before God knowing not that we are all these things wretched, miserable an poor! JUST A THOUGHT
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And a thought appreciated jnoah. There’s some sense in your view.
gk
--- Quote --- God covered them with skins of animals. God's covering was of better quality of their spiritual nakedness. First the physical, then the spiritual. God's solutions are better than man's.
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I can believe that god's solutions are better than man's, but, forgive me John I don’t see it, even still, obviously being one of the many. A covering of leaves or a covering of animal skin, how is either........physical.........application a better ‘spiritual’ covering? I can see where the two felt nakedness physically and covered themselves, but why the covering of 'skin' from God? What's important about skin? That isn't helping spiritually anything. Unless it has to do with sacrifice, perhaps.
gk
In the theme of the ‘humility’ that Ray is teaching, maybe, perhaps, it’s simply impossible that we can attain a sincere ‘spiritual’ humility, as Jesus had, while we are on this earth and in these earthly tents. Don’t know. Just a rambling of incoherency.
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: gk on July 29, 2011, 06:38:44 PM ---
--- Quote from: jnoah on July 29, 2011, 03:52:25 PM ---Could it be they were like the rest of us, and all religions and tried to cover themselves with some type of physical attire ( suit tie, fig leaf, long robe) as to not be ashamed and appear naked before God knowing not that we are all these things wretched, miserable an poor! JUST A THOUGHT
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And a thought appreciated jnoah. There’s some sense in your view.
gk
--- Quote --- God covered them with skins of animals. God's covering was of better quality of their spiritual nakedness. First the physical, then the spiritual. God's solutions are better than man's.
--- End quote ---
I can believe that god's solutions are better than man's, but, forgive me John I don’t see it, even still, obviously being one of the many. A covering of leaves or a covering of animal skin, how is either........physical.........application a better ‘spiritual’ covering? I can see where the two felt nakedness physically and covered themselves, but why the covering of 'skin' from God? What's important about skin? That isn't helping spiritually anything. Unless it has to do with sacrifice, perhaps.
gk
In the theme of the ‘humility’ that Ray is teaching, maybe, perhaps, it’s simply impossible that we can attain a sincere ‘spiritual’ humility, as Jesus had, while we are on this earth and in these earthly tents. Don’t know. Just a rambling of incoherency.
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Hi gk,
Not worth arguing about. I'm not considering the literal, physical aspects of the story. The whole story may be a parable. God will have to let us know if anything in the story of Adam and Eve literally occurred.
But the fig leaves and the animal skins are symbols of something else. Higher Spiritual Truths. All of God's words are spiritual; They have a higher spiritual meaning other than what is literally said. That's what I wanted to get across. Have a good weekend.
John
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