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Intrusive thoughts...
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on August 09, 2011, 04:48:01 AM ---Saying something is not true doesn't make it, not true. ~ :D
Paul, in his ministry, refuted his opponents. Refute means rebuttal with evidence.
As the rules here in BTF prohibits teaching, ...I can only offer the following observation. ~ :)
ANY ONE can do a Google search and some basic investigation into what science has discovered in the last 2000 years to bring you up to speed. ANY ONE can come to understand more than you think you know. Iron sharpens iron. A sharp blade will test the mettle of any weapon formed against it.
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Deborah, for as much as you have just written, you could have simply explained your previous comments re: neutral observer. And the reason why you didn't has nothing to do with the forum rules...the forum rules didn't stand in your way when you brought this up in the first place, so I don't see why they would stand in your way now.
Ian asked about negative thoughts that come to him, and you replied about a 'neutral observer' who neither approves or condemns. When confronted about the identity of this 'neutral observer' you beat around the bush using many words except the ones to explain your comments. Then you want to put the onus on 'ANY ONE' else to search for the meaning of your very own words.
What good is it to use many lofty words and phrases, to speak in poetic terms, but yet have no meaning at all? And how can you be credible for sound advice when you avoid any and all questions regarding your comments? It is like the Shakespeare quote: 'full of sound and fury, signifying nothing'.
A little truth will go a lot farther than a lot of empty talk.
Marques
Deborah-Leigh:
There is no "fury" in my words...your Shakespear quote misses the mark.~ :D
My simple explanation will have to surfice, that being that neutral neither lends itself to either, good or bad, positive nor negative influence.
The contribution made to the thread comes from my heart to help assist the pain and experience of nasty thoughts that just don't let up, and the more you try the more they strengthen.
By the way, I love lofty words, poetry and beautiful symmetry in thought made visible through the artistic construction of ideas held in sentences, chapters and verses. I can not apologise for not impressing you, Marques. It just isn't my ambition to do so. ~ :D
The beautiful Scripture of whatsoever things are lovely is certainly a Truth of great significance and depth.
Arc
Akira329:
Hey Deborah,
I will make a few comments about your comments
--- Quote from: Arcturus on August 09, 2011, 06:22:03 AM ---My simple explanation will have to surfice, that being that neutral neither lends itself to either, good or bad, positive nor negative influence.
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Everyone knows what neutral means? How in any way does this describe Jesus and his work??
You have yet to explain your comment.
Rev22:11 is not an excuse for being a neutral party in anything?
Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
That in bold is judgment of those people in Rev 22:11!
The unjust will no longer be unjust
The filthy will be made clean
The righteous will be refined
The Holy will be as pure as gold
These are not neutral works of an neutral observer.
Its funny you say these things because there are many in the church who believe God has no hand in the life of anyone. But stands as a neutral observer awaiting his opportunity or invitation to act or to be an inclusive part of someones life.
--- Quote ---The contribution made to the thread comes from my heart to help assist the pain and experience of nasty thoughts that just don't let up, and the more you try the more they strengthen.
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Just because you contribute doesn't make your comments helpful.
Many here contribute from the heart but all their sayings don't edify the body of believers here.
Nothing against them personally but not everyone has helpful words for everyone and just because you felt compelled to comment doesn't make your comments any more helpful to them or mine to you. We all take it for what its worth. Could be gold, could be dung! The receiver is to judge not the giver. The treasure you posses may not be worth anything to someone. Can't assume that everything that comes out of your mouth to be gold.
--- Quote ---By the way, I love lofty words, poetry and beautiful symmetry in thought made visible through the artistic construction of ideas held in sentences, chapters and verses.
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That's fine and dandy but be responsible for the things you say.
You have given no explanation as to why you think Jesus is a neutral observer or whoever this observer is?. Scripture and verse for that statement would be helpful.
Rev 22:11 and Mathew 5:39 are verses you can't use, neither implies that Jesus is neutral.
Also I assume you think Jesus is this person because you quote verses that were inspired from Christ to John.
Hope to hear some clarification soon
Antaiwan
JohnMichael:
What I see here is carnality playing the game of "I'm right and you're wrong, and I'm going to show you, bless God!"
That is directed at all who are heaving around heated words and accusations.
Using Scripture to boost one's ego is a big no-no - far worse than the neutral observer analogy. "Who is guilty of the greater sin?"
I'm not siding with anyone - it just seems that there are those who have become a little too opinionated for their own good. Me thinks they doth protest too much. Take a step back, take a deep breath, and realize that we are all on the same mission. Don't kill each other over the minute details.
"Every man worketh out his own salvation" - God works with everyone on an individual basis.
Also, remember James 1:19-20, the use of angry words will accomplish nothing righteous.
(WNT)
Jas 1:19 You know this, my dearly-loved brethren. But let every one be quick to hear, slow to speak, and slow to be angry.
Jas 1:20 For a man's anger does not lead to action which God regards as righteous.
In Him,
John
GaryK:
--- Quote from: Ian on August 08, 2011, 12:30:12 AM ---Hello,
I was wondering what causes intrusive thoughts, from a Biblical perspective?
Sometimes I will have thoughts about harming others. I know a lot of people have this problem.
It is difficult making the thoughts go away. Sometimes when I have thoughts, I get anxious and try not to dwell on them, leading me to think about them more.
Where and why do people have these thoughts?
I was considering... "For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders" (Mark 7:21).
Some insight would be appreciated...
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--- Quote --- I was wondering what causes intrusive thoughts, from a Biblical perspective?
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Echoing.
ANSWER: "For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders" (Mark 7:21).
It's as full and simple an explanation as any found and it appears you trust those words, as we all do.
--- Quote ---But there are some people who get really upset, even suicidal about certain thoughts. If they all come from within the heart, why would someone be upset about it?
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The answer from scripture above explains it for you, for me, for all of us here, and for others who have been given from God the faith and trust in scripture. For others, perhaps, they don't know these words that "from within the heart.........-" Regardless, even though we know these words and have been given the knowledge of their truth, sometimes, it doesn't make it any easier to not be upset about some of my thoughts, so there's really no difference between 'them' and 'us'............unless one is past the point of getting upset about -bad thoughts-........and I'd be more concerned if that were true than anything else.
Even with inflation that doesn't make for 1 cent worth, but it yours anyway.
gk
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