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mmijares:
Correct me if I am wrong, but...
Isn't it "neutral observer" us weighing things whether a thought, a plan, or a feeling, is good or bad? Some sort of a conscience.
Scenario: Sometimes, I wish I have a gun so I can use it to intimidate someone who wants to try to bully me when circumstance arises. But a part of me says that I should not since it might cause a string of problems if accidentally or intentionally I happened to use it. Isn't this what others coined "neutral observer"?
I may be wrong (again). Just like what I once thought what a free will is.
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: mmijares on August 08, 2011, 09:39:06 PM ---Correct me if I am wrong, but...
Isn't it "neutral observer" us weighing things whether a thought, a plan, or a feeling, is good or bad? Some sort of a conscience.
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The human being hasn't been born who can 'neutrally observe' itself. What you're describing is judging our works, which only the Spirit of God can/will do. But even this is not neutral:
1 Cor 3:13-15 ...each one's work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is. If anyone's work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss...
Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire
Good works are refined, bad works are burned away. You can't judge something to be good or bad and yet be neutral. That's why the comment of a 'neutral observer' makes no sense whatsoever. Jesus said He's rather we be cold than to be lukewarm [Rev 3:16].
Hope this helps,
Marques
Kat:
Hi octoberose,
--- Quote --- I sometimes think crazy, nonsensical things. Am I to think this is sin? Or, do I redirect my thoughts and not dwell on the craziness or the despair or the lie, so that I do Not sin? God knew we needed to be directed to think lovely, true thoughts because we will all fall into lies if we are not diligently seeking God.
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Well we are to be "bringing into captivity every thought" (2Cor 10:5), so I think we are to always direct our thoughts towards lovely and true thoughts. I do not see it a sin if we have wicked thoughts pop into pur minds, but we can not let those kind of thoughts remain. We are now under the new convenant and it goes beyond the letter and to the Spirit, what's in the heart and thoughts.
1Sa 16:7 But Jehovah said to Samuel, Do not look on his face, nor on his height, because I have refused him. For He does not see as man sees. For man looks on the outward appearance, but Jehovah looks on the heart.
It's not okay for our minds to be filled with rubbish, we are the temple of the Holy Spirit and are to be developing the mind of God.
Php 2:5 For let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,
1Co 6:17 But he being joined to the Lord is one spirit.
v. 19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit in you, whom you have of God? And you are not your own,
v. 20 for you are bought with a price. Therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God's.
Here is an email that has a bit about this in it.
http://bible-truths.com/email12.htm -----------------------------------
[Ray Replies]
God treated Adam and Eve in the same way that the Law of Moses treated Israel. There were numerous laws given to Israel, and the breaking of some of them involved the penalty of death. Now as long as no one actually committed the act that was illegal, no penalty was enacted. One could look at another man's pretty wife, just as long as he didn't touch her or commit physical adultery with her.
God treated Eve the same way. As long as she kept her lust of the flesh and lust of the eyes and pride of life TO HERSELF, God did not punish her. But once she committed an actual act of law-breaking (in this case disobey the law that God had enacted regarding eating the forbidden fruit), then the PENALTY CAME IN TO PLAY.
Today, under the New Covenant, we are guilty for merely THINKING a sinful thought. Now it is a sin to just "look upon a woman to lust after her" even if one doesn't ACTUALLY commit adultery with her. It is a thing of the SPIRIT, and not just the letter.
God be with you,
Ray
River:
Arcturus,
Your posts were refreshing to see. There are those who offer blankets to the cold striken and then there are those who offer a statement of " I hope you warm up." Yours was a blanket. Many thanks for what you said. :)
Deborah-Leigh:
Saying something is not true doesn't make it, not true. ~ :D
Paul, in his ministry, refuted his opponents. Refute means rebuttal with evidence.
As the rules here in BTF prohibits teaching, ...I can only offer the following observation. ~ :)
ANY ONE can do a Google search and some basic investigation into what science has discovered in the last 2000 years to bring you up to speed. ANY ONE can come to understand more than you think you know. Iron sharpens iron. A sharp blade will test the mettle of any weapon formed against it.
All of us, at some time, will feel the pang of fear to not go where proverbial angels fear to tread. By example, does anyone one think Ray Smith got his insights by going along with the crowd? Does anyone think Ray is embarrassed that his cancer might perhaps make fools of some medical practitioners before the great I AM Presence of God, who alone makes the wisdom of the world foolishness. Ray will be dead when God says so, and not a second before God says so!
What's that got to do with this Tread ~ Everything! Death might be the most intrusive thought, carrying the wages of sin, that a human being can experience. This thread is not meaningless or trivial. It raises a real finger on the pulse, issue for us all.
At Hospice, I saw a man who's body was withered and beginning to blacken in the appearance of deaths inevitable decomposition, yet his spirit and mind and soul, remained. I was given the assignment to read from the bible to Jack. Whilst so doing, he lifted his gnarled hand up, to indicate to me to stop after a hour loud reading from Matthew. Boy, was I grateful! My voice was getting strained.
Jack beckoned me to get close to him to hear a request.
His face was black and blue at his temples and his mouth showed a blackened tongue. Veins were visible in his temples as he looked like he had died ages ago.
The nursing sister had already prepared me for the shocking sight of Jack, and told me he was an unusual case indeed. He simply didn't want to die and was hanging on. I didn't think that Jack might have been terrified or scared out of his skull.
I bent over to Jack and put my ear to his mouth, closing my eyes to listen intently.
“Pray for me, please....” rasped Jack
A cold shiver shot up from my ankles right up my back and before my closed eyes I could see, as in a dream, a vast and dark abyss. On the far side, stood a figure that appeared to be Jesus as he might appear in an artist's impression. Dressed in white and with open arms, looking at Jack laying on his death bed.
“Trust Jesus!” were the words that shot out of my heart, soul, mind and very being.
“Trust JESUS!” I said again with a voice so strong it didn't sound like my own and certainly went beyond what was appropriate in the small room reverberating to my loudness. And again...
“TRUST JESUS!”
That was it...
Jack replied that he had heard the prayer of his Gethsemane...that night he died.
So whenever a bad thought comes...an invasive or frightening mental battle with thoughts of sin, death or we may feel or see that abysmal dark presence before our minds that we know we cannot get across because they are too powerful, too vast and too overwhelming to pass over...as in thoughts that will not let us go, that cling to us in fear, threat and ugliness....then...that's your lot...said the clay to the potter...
Our thoughts will die, will pass, and will not bring us into the depths of the dark abyss as we....Trust Jesus.
May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace AS YOU TRUST IN HIM. Romans 15: 13
I don't break rules here and I sure appreciate what Ray has uncovered regarding the whole truth, the real truth and nothing but the truth about the malpractices of Babylon.
The following Scripture for me, rightly or wrongly, best invites and is encouragement of the neutral stance: Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Your kindness helps encourage and is kind and loving soul River!
Another stance on this way of thinking is held in full view in the teaching Winning Souls for Jesus at http://bible-truths.com/souls.htm
It is not my job to teach or convince anyone though uninvited opinion has been offered to me to get my own Blog.
So here’s telling you all...I SO appreciate your kindness, consideration and insight into sensitive expression of mature empathy so thank you so very much for letting me let off a little steam, mist, tears....and joy...thank you!
God bless you always everywhere all the time!
I have nothing to add to the experience of unwelcome thoughts and feelings as described as the heading of this Thread...Intrusive thoughts...As humans we suffer.
All my earlier to do lists, I have found are meaningless. I have no, to do list and no judgment nor condemnation to offer either.
Jack and I were appointed a most humbling experience and blessing and I sure do know this, that Jack is a friend I very much look forward to rejoicing with in the Kingdom of God prepared for us ALL. Who knows, Jack might have been a real piece of work in his life time, that at his end, drew a mere stranger, to pray over him...who knew nothing of his past or his personality either! Boy oh boy, we are going to laugh if it’s true he might have been a real so and so! I was the sole soul praying aloud at his death bed on the eve of Jack....Trusting Jesus as he may never have experienced doing before!
Pray for one another...ah...there might be a new, what to do...for a, to do list, not to give out, or recommend or advocate, but to practice...ah...yea..THAT'S it!~ ;D
God BLESS us all, each and every one.
Arc
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