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Question about the flood and God's promise
Cypress:
Hi all! I was wondering if I could ask a question. I’m kind of intimidated to ask a question and I hope I don’t come across as too ignorant hehe J. I’ve searched the forum for an answer, but didn’t really see any topics pertaining to this.
My beloved husband and I have listened to Ray’s audios regarding Noah’s flood; essentially, the flood being a localized event. Like many of you, we grew up being taught that the flood was worldwide and that all life was wiped out. We were talking about it one night after listening to one of the audios and were wondering just what God’s promise (the rainbow) meant if the flood was localized? We’re not trying to disprove anything, or contradict Ray, but we are looking for some insight. Local floods happen all the time, all around the world, and many villages and lives are lost. I don’t know the exact time of Noah’s flood, but (and I could be wrong) I would imagine there was animal life and people living in other parts of the planet by that point. So why was the flood local and what does God’s promise mean?
Elaine
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Cypress on August 17, 2011, 10:24:44 AM ---Hi all! I was wondering if I could ask a question. I’m kind of intimidated to ask a question and I hope I don’t come across as too ignorant hehe J. I’ve searched the forum for an answer, but didn’t really see any topics pertaining to this.
My beloved husband and I have listened to Ray’s audios regarding Noah’s flood; essentially, the flood being a localized event. Like many of you, we grew up being taught that the flood was worldwide and that all life was wiped out. We were talking about it one night after listening to one of the audios and were wondering just what God’s promise (the rainbow) meant if the flood was localized? We’re not trying to disprove anything, or contradict Ray, but we are looking for some insight. Local floods happen all the time, all around the world, and many villages and lives are lost. I don’t know the exact time of Noah’s flood, but (and I could be wrong) I would imagine there was animal life and people living in other parts of the planet by that point. So why was the flood local and what does God’s promise mean?
Elaine
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Gen 8:20-21 And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again [H3254 - to add, to increase] curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again [H3254 - to add, to increase] smite any more every thing living, as I have done.
Hello Elaine,
I think this is one of those 'lost in translation' issues. The Lord said He would not increase the curse and smite brought upon man, as He had done in Noah's land. I believe this goes along with the scriptures which speaks of God 'framing evil' [Jer 18:11], which means to use evil in a certain capacity and not run rampant.
Floods, earthquakes, and other destruction will continue on this earth, but God has always 'framed' these evils to only cause destruction in the exact manner deemed, no more no less. As a painting is contained within it's frame, so too is all the earth's evil contained within the Will of God.
Hope this helps and great question by the way,
Marques
Dave in Tenn:
This scripture came to mind thinking about Marques' post:
Mat 6:34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
Something about that word 'sufficient' that indicates to my mind "enough". I'm not sure 'more than sufficient' is even possible. It's kinda like saying 150%--it's cute, but without sound meaning. I'm not sure 'less than sufficient' is possible either.
In any case, this is also a 'promise' of God. I think it carries the same meaning as the rainbow.
dave:
--- Quote from: mharrell08 on August 17, 2011, 11:59:45 AM ---
--- Quote from: Cypress on August 17, 2011, 10:24:44 AM ---Hi all! I was wondering if I could ask a question. I’m kind of intimidated to ask a question and I hope I don’t come across as too ignorant hehe J. I’ve searched the forum for an answer, but didn’t really see any topics pertaining to this.
My beloved husband and I have listened to Ray’s audios regarding Noah’s flood; essentially, the flood being a localized event. Like many of you, we grew up being taught that the flood was worldwide and that all life was wiped out. We were talking about it one night after listening to one of the audios and were wondering just what God’s promise (the rainbow) meant if the flood was localized? We’re not trying to disprove anything, or contradict Ray, but we are looking for some insight. Local floods happen all the time, all around the world, and many villages and lives are lost. I don’t know the exact time of Noah’s flood, but (and I could be wrong) I would imagine there was animal life and people living in other parts of the planet by that point. So why was the flood local and what does God’s promise mean?
Elaine
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Gen 8:20-21 And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again [H3254 - to add, to increase] curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again [H3254 - to add, to increase] smite any more every thing living, as I have done.
Hello Elaine,
I think this is one of those 'lost in translation' issues. The Lord said He would not increase the curse and smite brought upon man, as He had done in Noah's land. I believe this goes along with the scriptures which speaks of God 'framing evil' [Jer 18:11], which means to use evil in a certain capacity and not run rampant.
Floods, earthquakes, and other destruction will continue on this earth, but God has always 'framed' these evils to only cause destruction in the exact manner deemed, no more no less. As a painting is contained within it's frame, so too is all the earth's evil contained within the Will of God.
Hope this helps and great question by the way,
Marques
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That was beautiful! Praise the Lord :)
G. Driggs:
Hi Elaine no need to be intimidated, we are only human. ;D Good question though, one I thought about often. After a couple days searching I found this from Ray.
http://www.bible-truths.com/aeonion.htm
RAINBOW COVENANT: Possibly the only truly unilateral covenant in the Bible, where absolutely no participation on our part is required for its fulfillment. Gen. 9:16,
"And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting [Heb: olam aionion/eonian] covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth."
This covenant has no requirements on our part, but is it truly everlasting—endless?
When God is "All in all" (I Cor. 15:28), and there is "a NEW heaven and a NEW earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were PASSED AWAY; and there was no more sea [pretty hard to flood the entire earth without ANY SEA WATER]" (Rev. 21:1), and when God says, "Behold, I make ALL THINGS NEW…." (Rev. 21:5), perhaps even you can agree that this "rainbow covenant" will have come to an END, and then be of no consequence or have no application in a scriptural, heavenly realm.
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Can someone tell me if God saying He will never flood us again in Genesis and there being "no more sea" in Revelation are one in the same? As in there will never be carnal humans again when God is all in all? Cause that's what it seems like, but I'm not really sure.
G.Driggs
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