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stanstillwhite:
Hey Cypress,
I see that your second question was answered above, but as to your first question.  The flood may have been local but it still killed everything that breathed air.  In Ray's paper given above, Ray points out that large parts of the world were uninhabitable.  The ice shield surrounding the earth gave way. 

stanstillwhite:
Hey John,

Gen 6:17  And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

2Pe 2:5  And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

Sounds like everybody to me.  The water may not have covered up the mountains but everything breathing air still died.  With that kind of condensation you could drowned on dry land.  I'm a master diver.  I've seen water saturation tests.

And yes Dr. Ernest Martin does have a few ideas that he has no solid scripture for on this subject. Scientists always have their theories.  Good thing our salvation doesn't ride on this flood subject Hu? And yes, ELM did get a bit more literal than Ray. But just so you know, the people over there at ASKELM feel the same way about Martin as every one here feels about Ray.  Both Great Brothers...and Both working out what they believe.  Well not ELM, he died in 2002. He was a good friend of Ray's.

Stan

Kat:

Hi Stan,

Maybe you are not familiar with what Ray has taught about the flood, he had a whole conference on it in 08. Once you look at what a worldwide flood would have entailed, along with much scientific evidence, you can see that there was no way that the flood was worldwide. Here are the audios to that conference and the transcripts.

2008 Nashville Conference
Saturday morning part #1: http://bible-truths.com/audio/Nash08ConfSession1.mp3
Saturday morning part #2: http://bible-truths.com/audio/Nash08ConfSession2.mp3
Saturday morning part #3: http://bible-truths.com/audio/Nash08ConfSession3.mp3
Saturday morning part #4: http://bible-truths.com/audio/Nash08ConfSession4.mp3
Saturday morning part #5: http://bible-truths.com/audio/Nash08ConfSession5.mp3
Saturday morning part #6: http://bible-truths.com/audio/Nash08ConfSession6.mp3
Saturday afternoon part #7: http://bible-truths.com/audio/Nash08ConfSession7.mp3
Sunday morning part #8A: http://bible-truths.com/audio/Nash08ConfSession8A.mp3
Sunday morning part #8B: http://bible-truths.com/audio/Nash08ConfSession8B.mp3
Sunday morning part #9: http://bible-truths.com/audio/Nash08ConfSession9.mp3
Sunday morning part #10: http://bible-truths.com/audio/Nash08ConfSession10.mp3

Transcripts to 08 Nashville Conference
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,9502.0.html
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,8385.0.html

That's fine that you have other sites to study with, but we ask that the things discussed here are from Scriptures and the Bible Truths site, with no outside teaching.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

JohnMichael:

--- Quote from: G. Driggs on August 19, 2011, 11:12:51 PM ---Can someone tell me if God saying He will never flood us again in Genesis and there being "no more sea" in Revelation are one in the same? As in there will never be carnal humans again when God is all in all? Cause that's what it seems like, but I'm not really sure.

G.Driggs

--- End quote ---

Wow. That is a pretty awesome question, George. Seeing as the sea in Revelation is symbolic of carnal humanity, I didn't think it had anything to do with the Rainbow Covenant. I'm interested to hear the answer to this as well.

In Him,
John

DougE6:
   The Flood of Noah was a Local flood that certainly could of been universal in impact in regards to ancient man. Please see the accompanying typographic relief map that illustrates how the the entire mideast is a bowl. The topography of the Mesopotamian region forms a huge U-shaped bowl that stretches 600 miles from the Persian Gulf to the northwest. Steep escarpments that rise quickly from less than 200 meters to 1,000 meters set boundaries for the Mesopotamian Plain on the north and the east. Terrain that rises gradually, but consistently, to heights above 400 meters forms the southern and western boundaries. Elevations above 400 meters fully contain the Mesopotamian Plain except where it meets the sea.

http://mapshop.atlogis.com/product_info.php/language/en/info/p3150_Irak-Reliefkarte.html

As for Noahs' point of view...The Genesis text does not specify the exact depth of the floodwaters. It states only that the ark floated up on the waters and that the nearby hills were so inundated that from Noah’s perspective the whole face of Earth was covered with water. That is, from one horizon to the other, all Noah could see was water.

An ark 450 feet long by 75 feet wide by 45 feet high, loaded with animals and supplies, probably needed a draft of at least 20 feet. If Noah stood on top of the ark, his eye level would have been approximately 30 feet above the waters (refraction corrections included). The water level horizon for him would have been about 8 miles away. Any hill more distant than about 15 miles, sticking up even a hundred feet or more above the water, would have been invisible. Hills higher than 500 feet and 1,000 feet above water level would have been beyond the possible view of Noah if they were more than 28 and 38 miles distant, respectively.

 The rate at which a 50-foot, 100-foot, or higher surge of water above the banks of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers would flow out to the Persian Gulf depends upon the slope of the land. From 400 miles northwest of Ur to Ur (the location of the Persian shore at the time of Noah), the Euphrates and Tigris rivers drop just 300 feet in elevation. This drop provides a grade of only about 0.01 percent. With that gentle a slope, the Flood waters would have moved very slowly out to the Persian Gulf. Moreover, for several months after the rain stopped, any water that exited to the Gulf would have been replaced with runoff from springs and melting snow on the distant mountains that surround the Mesopotamian Plain.

Genesis 8:1 states that God removed the floodwaters by sending a wind. Given the gentle slope of the land, evaporation plays a more significant role than gravity in removing the water. Such a scenario is consistent with the worst floods that have struck the Mississippi Valley, for example. The water rose 50 feet above the banks in those Mississippi floods and then it seemed to stand still.1 Residents of the region noticed little discernable movement. They had to wait for the waters to dry up.

Just how effective is evaporation for removing flood waters? During a typical Southern California summer the swimming pools lose an average of one inch of water per day to evaporation. Lower humidity, higher heat, and a strong wind can triple or quadruple that rate. Over the 335 days during which Noah’s Flood receded, that would add up to 84-112 feet of evaporation. If gravity had removed about half that much water, the total water depth removed would have been 126-168 feet. That is easily enough water to account for Noah’s seeing nothing but water for as far as his eyes could see. That is easily enough water to destroy all of Noah’s contemporaries and their animals outside the ark. And, that is easily enough water to carry the ark to the foothills of Ararat.

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