Did you catch this????

[Kat]

Yes I too have found places throughout Ray's articles where he has mentioned things about the relationship between Father and Son. I suppose there is no way Ray can remember everything that he has written already, but it is clear that he has been working to understand this for a long time.


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Christ is the Image of the Invisible God. Christ is EVERYTHING that the Father is, only in the visible flesh of humanity.  In that respect Christ IS our Father just as Isaiah prophesied.  Jesus said to know Him is to KNOW THE FATHER. So, clearly, we know all that the Father is, THROUGH CHRIST!  And that includes FATHERHOOD. Jesus Christ not only was a man, He is now and always will be A MAN.  Notice that AFTER Jesus was resurrected and returned to the glory and splendor that He had in the beginning with God, that He is STILL called a MAN,

"For there is one God, and one Mediator of God and mankind, A MAN, Christ Jesus..." (I Tim. 2:5).

Try this: There is ONE GOD. Jesus Christ came OUT FROM God and is called the "Son OF God." The Holy Spirit comes OUT FROM God and is called the "spirit OF God." But God has bestowed on Jesus ALL THAT HE IS AND ALL THAT HE HAS, hence Jesus also has this SAME SPIRIT and therefore there is the "spirit OF Christ" which is the SAME spirit OF God. They BOTH possess the SAME SPIRIT. And as they possess the SAME SPIRIT, they are ONE!


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First, there is no such thing as a "Godhead."  It is "Divine" or "Divinity" or "Deity,"

and it means "that which pertains to God."  God the Father lived and spoke and worked

in His Son Jesus. In his body, Jesus represented God the Father. Hence, he told Philip

that when he saw Christ he also saw His Father (John 14:8-11).  "I and My Father

are ONE" (John 10:30).

God be with you,

Ray

[Duane]

I thought God's name was "I AM!"  or "the Great I AM".    Duane

[Kat]

Hi Duane,

That is one of His names that describe Jesus Christ for sure, but their are many more. I got these out of Nave's Topical Bible.

Adam -  1Cor 15:45
Advocate -  1John 2:1
Almighty -  Rev 1:8
Alpha and Omega -  Rev 1:8
Amen -  Rev 3:14
Angel -  Gen 48:16; Exo 23:20-21
Angel of His Presence -  Isa 63:9
Anointed -  Psa 2:2
Apostle -  Heb 3:1
Arm of the Lord -  Isa 51:9-10
Author and Finisher of Our Faith -  Heb 12:2
Beginning and End of the Creation of God -  Rev 3:14; Rev 22:13
Beloved -  Eph 1:6
Bishop -  1Pe 2:25
Blessed and Only Potentate -  1Tim 6:15
Branch -  Jer 23:5; Zec 3:8
Bread of Life -  John 6:48
Bridegroom -  Matt 9:15
Bright and Morning Star -  Rev 22:16
Brightness of the Father's Glory -  Heb 1:3
Captain of the Lord's Host -  Joshua 5:14
Captain of Salvation -  Heb 2:10
Carpenter -  Mark 6:3
Carpenter's Son -  Matt 13:55
Chief Shepherd -  1Peter 5:4
Chief Cornerstone -  1Peter 2:6
Chiefest Among Ten Thousand -  Song of Solomon 5:10
Child -  Isa 9:6; Luke 2:27; Luke 2:43
Chosen of God -  1Peter 2:4
Christ -  Matt 1:16; Luke 9:20
The Christ -  Mat 16:20; Mark 14:61
Christ, a King -  Luke 23:2
Christ Jesus -  Acts 19:4; Rom 3:24; 8:1; 1Cor 1:2; 1:30; Heb 3:1; 1Peter5:10; 5:14
Christ Jesus Our Lord -  1Tim 1:12; Rom 8:39
Christ of God -  Luke 9:20
Christ, the chosen of God -  Luke 23:35
Christ, the Lord -  Luke 2:11
Christ, the Power of God -  1Cor 1:24
Christ, the Wisdom of God -  1Cor 1:24
Christ, the Son of God -  Acts 9:20
Christ, Son of the Blessed -  Mark 14:61
Commander -  Isa 55:4
Consolation of Israel -  Luke 2:25
Cornerstone -  Eph 2:20
Counsellor -  Isa 9:6
Covenant of the People -  Isa 42:6
David -  Jer 30:9
Daysman -  Job_9:33
Dayspring -  Luke 1:78
Day Star -  2Peter 1:19
Deliverer -  Rom 11:26
Desire of All Nations -  Haggai 2:7
Door -  John 10:7
Elect -  Isa 42:1
Emmanuel -  Isa 7:14
Ensign -  Isa 11:10
Eternal life -  1John 5:20
Everlasting Father -  Isa_9:6
Faithful and True -  Rev 19:11
Faithful Witness -  Rev 1:5
Faithful and True Witness -  Rev 3:14
Finisher of Faith -  Heb 12:2
First and Last -  Rev 1:17; Rev 2:8; Rev 22:13
First Begotten -  Heb 1:6
First Begotten of the Dead -  Rev 1:5
Firstborn -  Psa 89:27
Foundation -  Isa 28:16
Fountain -  Zec 13:1
Forerunner -  Heb 6:20
Friend of Sinners -  Matt 11:19
Gift of God -  John 4:10
Glory of Israel -  Luke 2:32
God -  John 1:1
God Blessed Forever -  Rom 9:5
God Manifest in the Flesh -  1Tim 3:16
God of Israel, the Savior -  Isa 45:15
God of the Whole Earth -  Isa 54:5
God our Savior -  1Tim 2:3
God's Dear Son -  Col 1:13
God With Us -  Matt 1:23
Good Master -  Matt 19:16
Governor -  Matt 2:6
Great Shepherd of the Sheep -  Heb 13:20
Head of the Church -  Eph 5:23
Heir of all Things -  Heb 1:2
High Priest -  Heb 4:14
Head of Every Man -  1Co 11:3
Head of the Church -  Col 1:18
Head of the Corner -  Matt 21:42
Holy Child Jesus -  Acts 4:30
Holy One -  Psa 16:10; Acts 3:14
Holy One of God -  Mark 1:24
Holy One of Israel -  Isa 41:14; Isa 54:5
Holy Thing -  Luke 1:35
Hope (Our) -  1Tim 1:1
Horn of Salvation -  Luke 1:69
I Am -  John 8:58
Image of God -  Heb 1:3
Israel -  Isa 49:3
Jehovah -  Isa 40:3
Jehovah's Fellow -  Zec 13:7
Jesus -  Matt 1:21
Jesus Christ -  Matt 1:1; John 1:17; 17:3; Acts 2:38; 4:10; 9:34; 10:36; 16:18; Rom 1:1; 1:3; 1:6; 2:16; 5:15; 5:17; 6:3; 1Cor 1:1; 1:4; 2:2; 2Cor 1:19; 4:6; 13:5; Gal 2:16; Phi 1:8; 2:11; 1Ti 1:15; Heb 13:8; 1Jo 1:7; 2:1
Jesus Christ Our Lord -  Rom 1:3; 6:11; 6:23; 1Cor 1:9; 7:25
Jesus Christ Our Savior -  Titus 3:6
Jesus of Nazareth -  Mark 1:24; Luke 24:19
Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews -  John 19:19
Jesus, the King of the Jews -  Matt 27:37
Jesus, the Son of God -  Heb 4:14
Jesus, the Son of Joseph -  John 6:42
Judge -  Acts 10:42
Just Man -  Matt 27:19
Just One -  Acts 3:14; Acts 7:52; 22:14
Just Person -  Matt 27:24
King -  Matt 21:5
King of Israel -  John 1:49
King of the Jews -  Matt 2:2
King of Saints -  Rev 15:3
King of Kings -  1Tim 6:15; Rev 17:14
King of Glory -  Psa 24:7-10
King of Zion -  Matt 21:5
King over All The Earth -  Zec 14:9
Lamb -  Rev 5:6; 5:8; 6:16; 7:9-10; 7:17; 12:11; 13:8; 13:11; 14:1; 14:4; 15:3; 17:14; 19:7; 19:9; 21:9; 21:14; 21:22-23; 21:27
Lamb of God -  John 1:29
Lawgiver -  Isa 33:22
Leader -  Isa 55:4
Life -  John_14:6
Light -  John 8:12
Light, Everlasting -  Isa 60:20
Light of the World -  John 8:12
Light to the Gentiles -  Isa 42:6
Light, True -  John 1:9
Living Bread -  John 6:51
Living Stone -  1Peter 2:4
Lion of the Tribe of Judah -  Rev 5:5
Lord -  Rom 1:3
Lord of Lords -  Rev 17:14; Rev 19:16
Lord of All -  Acts 10:36
Lord our Righteousness -  Jer 23:6
Lord God Almighty -  Rev 15:3
Lord from Heaven -  1Cor 15:47
Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ -  2Peter 1:11; 2Peter 3:18
Lord Christ -  Col 3:24
Lord Jesus -  Acts 7:59; Col 3:17; 1Thess 4:12
Lord Jesus Christ -  Acts 11:17; 16:31; 20:21; Rom 5:1; 5:11; 13:14
Lord Jesus Christ, Our Savior -  Titus 1:4
Lord of Glory -  James 2:1
Lord of Hosts -  Isa 44:6
Lord, Mighty in Battle -  Psa 24:8
Lord of the Dead and Living -  Rom 14:9
Lord of the Sabbath -  Mark 2:28
Lord Over All -  Rom 10:12
Lord's Christ -  Luke 2:26
Lord Strong and Mighty -  Psa 24:8
Lord, The, Our Righteousness -  Jer 23:6
Lord, Your Holy One -  Isa 43:15
Lord, Your Redeemer -  Isa 43:14
Man Christ Jesus -  1Tim 2:5
Man of Sorrows -  Isa 53:3
Master -  Matt 23:8
Mediator -  1Tim 2:5
Messenger of the Covenant -  Malachi 3:1
Messiah -  John 1:41
Messiah the Prince -  Daniel 9:25
Mighty God -  Isa 9:6
Mighty one of Israel -  Isa 30:29
Mighty one of Jacob -  Isa 49:26
Mighty to Save -  Isa_63:1
Minister of the Sanctuary -  Heb 8:2
Morning Star -  Rev 22:16
Most Holy -  Daniel 9:24
Most Mighty -  Psa 45:3
Nazarene -  Matt 2:23
Offspring of David -  Rev 22:16
Only Begotten -  John 1:14
Only Begotten of the Father -  John 1:14
Only Begotten Son -  John 1:18
Only Wise God, Our Savior -  Jude 1:25
Passover -  1Cor 5:7
Plant of Renown -  Eze 34:29
Potentate -  1Tim 6:15
Power of God -  1Cor 1:24
Physician -  Matt_9:12
Precious Cornerstone -  Isa 28:16
Priest -  Heb 7:17
Prince -  Acts 5:31
Prince of Life -  Acts 3:15
Prince of Peace -  Isa 9:6
Prince of the Kings of the Earth -  Rev 1:5
Prophet -  Deu 18:15; 18:18; Matt 21:11; Luke 24:19
Propitiation -  1John 2:2
Rabbi -  John 1:49
Rabboni -  John 20:16
Ransom -  1Tim 2:6
Redeemer -  Isa 59:20
Resurrection and Life -  John 11:25
Redemption -  1Cor_1:30
Righteous Branch -  Jere 23:5
Righteous Judge -  2Tim 4:8
Righteous Servant -  Isa 53:11
Righteousness -  1Cor 1:30
Rock -  1Cor 10:4
Rock of Offence -  1Peter 2:8
Root of David -  Rev 5:5; Rev 22:16
Root of Jesse -  Isa 11:10
Rose of Sharon -  Song of Solomon 2:1
Ruler in Israel -  Micah 5:2
Salvation -  Luke 2:30
Sanctification -  1Cor 1:30
Sanctuary -  Isa 8:14
Savior -  Luke 2:11
Savior, Jesus Christ -  2Tim 1:10; Titus 2:13; 2Peter 1:1
Savior of the Body -  Eph 5:23
Savior of the World -  1John 4:14
Sceptre -  Num 24:17
Second Man -  1Cor 15:47
Seed of David -  2Tim 2:8
Seed of the Woman -  Gen 3:15
Servant -  Isa 42:1
Servant of Rulers -  Isa 49:7
Shepherd -  Mark_14:27
Shepherd and Bishop of Souls -  1Peter 2:25
Shepherd, Chief -  1Peter 5:4
Shepherd, Good -  John_10:11
Shepherd, Great -  Heb 13:20
Shepherd of Israel -  Psa 80:1
Shiloh -  Gen 49:10
Son of the Father -  2John 1:3
Son of God -  45 times, too many to include
Son of Man -  85 times, too many to include
Son of the Blessed -  Mark 14:61
Son of the Highest -  Luke 1:32
Son of David -  Matt 9:27
Star -  Num 24:17
Sun of Righteousness -  Malachi 4:2
Surety -  Heb 7:22
Stone -  Matt 21:42
Stone of Stumbling -  1Peter 2:8
Sure Foundation -  Isa 28:16
Teacher -  John 3:2
True God -  1John 5:20
True Vine -  John 15:1
Truth - John 14:6
Unspeakable Gift -  2Cor 9:15
Very Christ -  Acts 9:22
Vine -  John 15:1
Way -  John 14:6
Which Is, Which Was, Which Is To Come -  Rev 1:4
Wisdom -  Proverbs 8:12
Wisdom of God -  1Cor 1:24
Witness -  Isa 55:4; Rev 1:5
Wonderful -  Isa 9:6
Word -  John 1:1
Word of God -  Rev 19:13
Word of Life -  1John 1:1

mercy, peace, and love
Kat

[Kat]

This name thing has lead me to an interesting study. Since the Apostles were Jews and raised accordingly, I have looked into the names for God used in Judaism, which the Apostles in turn may have used. We may not need to look on the name as something more then who it represents, but there are definite ways to use it in a more appropriately manner and it is good to understand this better.

I have used Wikipedia in an attempt to not get caught up in religion, but of course that is written by men as well, but I think we can get a good idea from this.

Names of God in Judaism
excerpts from Wikipedia

The most important and most often written name of God in Judaism is the Tetragrammaton, the four-letter name of God, also known as יהוה, or YHWH. It appears 6,828 times in the Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia edition of the Hebrew Masoretic text.

In appearance, YHWH is an archaic third person singular imperfect of the verb "to be", meaning, therefore, "He is". This explanation agrees with the meaning of the name given in Exodus 3:14, where God is represented as speaking, and hence as using the first person—"I am". It stems from the Hebrew conception of monotheism that God exists by himself for himself, and is the uncreated Creator who is independent of any concept, force, or entity; therefore "I am that I am". Therefore, although Ehyeh asher ehyeh is generally rendered in English "I am that I am", better renderings might be "I will be what I will be" or "I will be who I will be", or even "I will be because I will be". In these renderings, the phrase becomes an open-ended gloss on God's promise in Exodus 3:12. Other renderings include: Leeser, "I WILL BE THAT I WILL BE"; Rotherham, "I Will Become whatsoever I please." Greek, Ego eimi ho on (ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ὤν), "I am The Being" in the Septuagint, and Philo, and Revelation or, "I am The Existing One"; Lat., ego sum qui sum, "I am Who I am."

Ehyeh asher ehyeh (Hebrew: אהיה אשר אהיה) is the first of three responses given to Moses when he asks for God's name (Exodus 3:14). Ehyeh is the first-person singular imperfect form of hayah, "to be", Ehyeh is usually translated "I will be". Asher is an ambiguous pronoun which can mean, depending on context, "that", "who", "which", or "where".

In the Masoretic Text the name YHWH is vowel pointed as יְהֹוָה, pronounced YAH-HO-VAH in modern Hebrew, and Yəhōwāh in Tiberian vocalization. Traditionally in Judaism, the name is not pronounced but read as Adonai, "my Lord" during prayer, and referred to as HaShem, "the Name" at all other times. This is done out of hesitation to pronounce the name in the absence of the Temple in Jerusalem, due to its holiness.

When the Masoretes added vowel pointings to the text of the Hebrew Bible around the 8th century CE, they gave the word YHWH vowels very similar to that of Adonai. Tradition has dictated this is to remind the reader to say Adonai instead. Later medieval Christian Biblical scholars took this vowel substitution for the actual spelling of YHWH and misinterpreted the name of God as Jehovah.

The name Shaddai (Hebrew: שַׁדַּי) is often paraphrased in English translations as "Almighty" although this is an interpretive element. The name then refers to the pre-Mosaic patriarchal understanding of deity as "God who is sufficient." God is sufficient, that is, to supply all of one's needs, and therefore by derivation "almighty". It may also be understood as an allusion to the singularity of deity "El" as opposed to "Elohim" plural being sufficient or enough for the early patriarchs of Judaism. To this was latter added the Mosaic conception of YHWH as God who is sufficient in Himself, that is, a self-determined eternal Being qua Being, for whom limited descriptive names cannot apply. This may have been the probable intent of "eyeh asher eyeh" which is by extension applied to YHWH (a likely anagram for the three states of Being past, present and future conjoined with the conjunctive letter vav), cf. Exodus 3:13–15.

Seven Names of God

In medieval times, God was sometimes called The Seven. Among the ancient Hebrews, the seven names for the God of Israel over which the scribes had to exercise particular care were:
1.Eloah
2.Elohim
3.Adonai
4.Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh
5.YHWH
6.El Shaddai
7.Tzevaot

Lesser used names of God

~ Adir—"Strong One"
~Adon Olam—"Master of the World"
~Aibishter—"The Most High" (Yiddish)
~Aleim—sometimes seen as an alternative transliteration of Elohim
~Avinu Malkeinu—"Our Father, our King"
~Boreh—"the Creator"
~Ehiyeh sh'Ehiyeh—"I Am That I Am": a modern Hebrew version of "Ehyeh asher Ehyeh"
~Elohei Avraham, Elohei Yitzchak ve Elohei Ya`aqov—"God of Abraham, God of Isaac, God of Jacob"
~Elohei Sara, Elohei Rivka, Elohei Leah ve Elohei Rakhel—"God of Sarah, God of Rebecca,
    God of Leah, God of Rachel"
~El ha-Gibbor—"God the hero" or "God the strong one" or "God the warrior"
~Emet—"Truth"
~E'in Sof—"endless, infinite", Kabbalistic name of God
~HaKadosh, Barukh Hu (Hebrew); Kudsha, Brikh Hu (Aramaic)—"The Holy One, Blessed be He"
~Kadosh Israel—"Holy One of Israel"
~Melech HaMelachim—"The King of kings" or Melech Malchei HaMelachim "The King,
    King of kings" to express superiority to the earthly rulers title. Phillip Birnbaum
    renders it "The King Who rules over kings"
~Makom or HaMakom—literally "the place", perhaps meaning "The Omnipresent"; see Tzimtzum
~Magen Avraham—"Shield of Abraham"
~Ribono shel `Olam—"Master of the World"
~Ro'eh Yisra'el—"Shepherd of Israel"
~YHWH-Yireh (Adonai-jireh)—"The LORD will provide" (Genesis 22:13–14)
~YHWH-Rapha—"The LORD that healeth" (Exodus 15:26)
~YHWH-Niss"i (Adonai-Nissi)—"The LORD our Banner" (Exodus 17:8–15)
~YHWH-Shalom—"The LORD our Peace" (Judges 6:24)
~YHWH-Ro'i—"The LORD my Shepherd" (Psalm 23:1)
~YHWH-Tsidkenu—"The LORD our Righteousness"[32] (Jeremiah 23:6)
~YHWH-Shammah (Adonai-shammah)—"The LORD is present" (Ezekiel 48:35)
~Tzur Israel—"Rock of Israel"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Judaism

mercy, peace and love
Kat

[Rene]

I find this fascinating, all these names for our one God!  This just further enhances the awesomeness of our Creator.

René

[River]

I'm often suspect of the El titles because we know many ancient religions and that of the Saturn worship groups are related with this. I think we must be careful with this ancient history because it isn't all clear and we have Christ slamming those religious groups who claim to be in line with the only true God and yet he knew it was not.

[Kat]

Hi River,

Yes any name can be used with a improper connotation attached to it. What I am seeing is that all these 'names' are titles that can be ascribed to God and have also been attributed to other gods as well. I think our God would know what our intent was in using such a word.

What I got from that info was that יהוה - YHWH is considered the name of the God of Israel. But Elohim, El, Shaddai and Adonai are not names but titles. So I do not see how using them would be inappropriate as it is a descriptive term, whereas the word YHWH would be considered the identified name of the God of Israel.

I think it is in the way that we use the word/name and God knows what our intent is in the way that we speak of Him and His Spirit will intercedes until He shows us what is right.

Rom 8:27  And He searching the hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

[River]

Hey Kat,

  I see what your saying. That is one thing that I now rest more assure in now that I see things differently. The fact that God understands! For me there is a lot of peace in that.

[SeekingHim]

Something that thrills my heart is this scripture: [Romans 8:15] For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

It's like calling him "Daddy." We have that privilege. I'm not worried about his name. My earthly dad would be shocked if I called him by his name. 

Pat