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Ian:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on September 25, 2011, 03:55:41 PM ---I guess. I don't know what purpose it would serve. I'm fully convinced. I suspect he or she is fully convinced. I certainly can't explain these things better than Ray. But send it if you want to.
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Ah, I see. I just thought that maybe it would better explain my confusion.
Dave in Tenn:
I've taken a look at the site. And what did I see? I see it teaches eternal concious torment. They are teaching the depth of Satan! Is it any wonder why they need to twist plain scripture to convince themselves and others that man somehow 'survives death'? How are the ungodly (however they define them) going to be properly punished if they don't burn in hell forever, and KNOW IT!
They don't believe that the wages of sin is death. They would SAY they do, but they lie. When pressed, they will redefine death as 'eternal, concious torment'. They don't believe people die at all. They will jump and thump to say they believe people die, but they lie. God defines and describes death in scripture. Everybody who has ever died has died the way He describes it. They can't and won't understand the scripture they quote EXCEPT in the ""light"" of belief in Hell. "The PIT is Hell, the GRAVE is Hell, Sheol is Hell, Hades is Hell, Gehenna is Hell, Judgement is Hell, DEATH is hell, the Lake of Fire is Hell."
Much of what they say is the 'alternative' for what they teach is ALSO not true. Not true in scripture and NOT TRUE about what Ray teaches, though I have no doubt in the morass of religionism there are people teaching every imaginable sort of hobbled-together high-sounding, low-IQ doctrine that contradicts itself, other scripture, and sound teaching. It really gets me steamed when they tell me they know what I must believe if I don't agree with them. They don't have a clue. Not a clue. I'm not even IN their little hobby-lobby debate.
Yes, I understand 'confusion' in a general sense when it comes to scriptural matters. One the one hand you have _____ism and on the other hand you have the _____ists. Just because there appear to be two sides to any argument does not make one of them right. There is no branch of christian theology that isn't foolish or evilly foolish. Don't let fools and liars frame the debate. Think on what is TRUE. If you're not sure yet what is true, then I absolutely cannot do better for you than to turn you to Ray. Have you read the links provided in this thread?
You want to get un-confused? Stop visiting websites put up by ministers of Satan, especially those that preach "eternal concious torment". There's an excellent start.
I love the truth...LOVE IT! I can't sit still stroking my chin murmuring, "Hmmm....yes...interesting point they raise...though I don't believe they have it quite right when discussing the De-amplification of the Doctrine of Subglooberificationism concerning the Self-Resident Stratovarious of All Subsistence" when I'm reading so called theologians deny the plan of God, and the meaning of life and death.
Hang in there, Ian.
firefly77:
Dave,
Thank you for your passionate replies in this thread; I so totally agree.
Blessings!
Rene:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on September 26, 2011, 06:18:22 AM ---
Don't let fools and liars frame the debate. Think on what is TRUE.
You want to get un-confused? Stop visiting websites put up by ministers of Satan, especially those that preach "eternal concious torment". There's an excellent start.
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Good, solid advice! :)
René
River:
Dave,
Does your humor increase when you get worked up? ;D
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