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GaryK:

--- Quote from: TruthChaser on September 25, 2011, 03:46:07 PM ---

I was talking to a friend and we had a debate
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Meaningless words, and nothing but words.   Unimportant now. 



--- Quote ---I'm new here and just looking to grow in the Lord and fellowship with others that aren't stuck in the "church" mindset.  Any assistance will be greatly appreciated. 

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Ditto Dave's reply.

Read.  Let it soak in.   

Read some more.    Let it soak in even more.

Then read it some more.   All of Ray's papers.

Welcome here.   Good for you.  Good for us.

gk

Kat:

Hi onelovedread,

Well they are not exactly "unbelievers," as they do believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God. That is where we come to have our 'first love,' but it's usually right there that we fall away as well.

But I was thinking more of the "do not be unequally yoked together," because beyond believing that Christ is the Son of God I do not believe the same as the church does. There doctrines/teachings certainly reflect darkness to me.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

River:
Kat,

 But do they really believe in Jesus Christ? I thought I did also when I was a churcher. But I know better now. Do they not teach another Jesus?

 But anyhow..I recently addressed this same subject and quoted different scriptures showing that there is no such thing as church attendance. But I was told I was picking out scriptures to back up my argument. I think it is easily shown because you notice how the word "church" is used in scriptures. It is nothing like how it is used today. They don't say in the scriptures that we are going to church.
 Any complete study on the history of the church establishment shows it clearly that it is nothing related with the scriptures as well. And the "forsake not the assembly" one doesn't make a lick of sense because you wouldn't be told by the apostles to go to a PAGAN religion. They were NOT talking about your church when this was written like so many people think. Remember folks we are told all the time on billboards and such to "go to church!" Any church they say, but just go! Now can you imagine the apostles telling you to go to any religious establishment of your choice?? A lot of the church attendance is fear of going against peer pressure, not researching, being religious etc. Show them scriptures if asked but until they know it they won't see it and then only will it click.

Foxx:

--- Quote from: River on September 25, 2011, 09:41:13 PM ---
 But do they really believe in Jesus Christ? I thought I did also when I was a churcher. But I know better now. Do they not teach another Jesus?

 But anyhow..I recently addressed this same subject and quoted different scriptures showing that there is no such thing as church attendance. But I was told I was picking out scriptures to back up my argument.

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River, I think that they do love and believe in Christ, however, 1 Corinthians 3:2 puts it well by saying:

"with milk I fed you, and not with meat, for ye were not yet able, but not even yet are ye now able,"

So yes I believe they have the right idea but they do not understand the deep things of God. They will not and can not unless it is shown to them. It isn't that they don't believe but their belief is immature. They drink milk but are unable to eat the real meat of the gospel.

In terms of your peers stating that you are picking and choosing scriptures, well, this is a common argument for those who are unable to think of scripture to verify their own beliefs. Many people don't know why they believe what they do, they do it because they just think its right. Besides, so many millions of others do it so all those people must be right, right? WRONG!

Just because the majority do something does not make what they do right. Whenever I have gotten into these "discussions" with people and I quote verses to back up my beliefs, frustration usually mounts in those who are unable to defend their own with scripture. Instead of looking into the matter they say that your proof is wrong because....well because they say so! Laughable I know but this what you are dealing with.  Sounds like something you would hear in kindergarten, "You're wrong because you're wrong and I want to be right! so there!"

At any rate, if this is their final say in the matter I would just drop it. When you bring up something God will either open their hearts to it if they are ready to receive it or they won't if they are not ready, and if the latter is the case it isn't anyone's place to change their mind. They can't see it, even when you tell them what the Bible itself is saying. They would rather believe the doctrines of mankind then of God because they simply can't understand it. I remember in John chapter 6 it said this

"Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?"

It was just too hard to accept, follow, or believe... or so they thought. It wasn't until later that they did because at the time they were not ready yet. One day they will be made spiritually mature. They will be able to digest the meat, they will be able to hear it. For now stand up for what you believe by scripture but be prepared to be met with 1600 plus years of religious dogma and animosity.

Deborah-Leigh:

Hi TruthChaser

Most of the world is still in darkness.

Our loved ones number the many within our own circle of friends and family, who we grieve and pine for their  enlightenment to Truth. Paul knew also of this agony.

You have been touched with the Light of Truth. Freedom in the Spirit is not of the world, nor in the world.

We are scattered, we are few, not in a superior, holier-than-thou meaning, but in the most humble of humble terms.

Walk away from debate, hold your peace, God gives the increase, not by might or by power, and be Blessed of God who has called you.

Arc

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