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orion77:
I can definetly understand where you are coming from, until the realization came that the good things of God, and the good things of this world so many seek to have are not the same thing. We are to seek for buried treasure, the hidden things of God. The rewards that come are nothing like what the world strives for.
I can't just come out and say I am chosen, called the elect or any of those things, but I definetly can say I am chastised by the Father. Being chastised by God makes us His sons, and when sons, then heirs. That is the way I see it.
God bless,
Gary
ned:
--- Quote from: Sorin on July 14, 2006, 12:22:34 AM ---I can identify with "keeping me poor" and "others may" I may not. 1 It seems like God is keeping all the good things in life from me, and no matter how hard I try to obtain them I just see others succeed at the exact thing I strive to achieve and yet I can not achieve it no matter what. I really don't see myself as "special" to God or as one who has "The Holy Spirit" or anything like that,
2 so my conclusion is God either hates me, or is punishing me, or both.
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1Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
21Jo 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
We can only have the love of God through knowing Jesus. It hurts me to think that God's children think God hates them, when scripture tells me plainly that God is love, and those that seek Jesus will be fulfilled.
Mat7:7 "Ask and it shall be given, seek and ye shall find, knock and it shall be opened unto you."
Sorin (and longhorn)> you have just prompted me to study into this more....more later.
May the perfect will of God touch your hearts.
Marie
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Sorin on July 14, 2006, 12:22:34 AM ---I can identify with "keeping me poor" and "others may" I may not. It seems like God is keeping all the good things in life from me, and no matter how hard I try to obtain them I just see others succeed at the exact thing I strive to achieve and yet I can not achieve it no matter what. I really don't see myself as "special" to God or as one who has "The Holy Spirit" or anything like that, so my conclusion is God either hates me, or is punishing me, or both.
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Sorin,
I can see the Lord chastising you and refining you through your frustrations and troubles, Paul considered these things a blessing and a time for joy, to the carnal mind this would appear to be a sure sign of insanity.
Brother, there are times when your insight into spiritual things indicate the presence of the Holy Spirit and that He is working in you, all of us have "thorns in our side" and go through trials and tribulations and even times when we don't feel the presence of His Spirit as we desire. These are growing (in Him) pains, if it were not difficult we wouldn't be admonished to "be overcomers" to the end. What is there to overcome if the things we think we need are at the ready and at our disposal? If these earthly things are in our grasp would we be open to the spiritual or would we consider ourselves "rich and in need of nothing?"
Believe me I empathize with you,
Joe
mongoose:
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Thats how I feel exactly. God must really hate me. I have quit searching, praying, and seeking God, and I have stopped worring about being some "chosen" vessel.
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--- Quote from: orion77 on July 14, 2006, 10:13:42 AM --- I can't just come out and say I am chosen, called the elect or any of those things, but I definetly can say I am chastised by the Father. Being chastised by God makes us His sons, and when sons, then heirs. That is the way I see it.
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Longhorn and Gary, thank you for that. I wondered if everyone else here felt like they were one of the elect. I certainally don't feel that way. I know, God makes the decision but I am so little, so nothing that I can't imagine Him doing that. I am so much happier with the idea of going through the lake of fire with the majority. I find myself hoping God will burn the carnal out of me, I know it won't be pleasant, only do it later, please, not now. Elect? Me? No way. Just how I feel....and I know, not my choice.
Oh, and I'm a hypocrit too...
--- Quote from: mongoose on July 13, 2006, 03:18:38 PM ---Ah Longhorn. Your honesty is refreshing. But perhaps you shouldn't be too sure about being ruled out ;D
He may not have taken hold of you like this yet, but rest assured, when He decides to drag you to Himself and guard you as His own, He will. All in His time, my friend; you will be His completely.
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I can tell someone else that.....but apply it to myself....no way..
ciy:
I hope I can communicate my questions on this subject. The questions I have on this subject are the same as I had about an eternal hell or how does a short prayer give some an eternal life in heaven and others who are better people than they an eternity in hell because they did not say a prayer plus many other like questions that has led me to these truths. Now having said all of that how can we make a statement that those chosen of God are going to be poor and miserable all of their earthly existence?
Now again do not get me wrong I cannot get peace with this because to do so means I must "reason with my own understanding." Because if this is true then I do not know anyone that is chosen and faithful. If one makes $35000 per year that is too rich to get into heaven or is it $20000. At what point do I become rich? Should I try to do a good job at work, but what happens if I get promoted. Does that mean I am not of the chosen. Should I quit work if I am making too much money. If this is true then I should do nothing in the flesh because it will all lead to vanity. If I fix up my yard and my next door neighbor's is not fix up that leads to vanity. If we seek first the kingdom of God do we not get anything in the flesh that the pagans run after? Are non of the promises of God going to manifest in our flesh in this age? If so why should I obey the carnal laws of government because again that leads to vanity.
It says all things are vanity. That seems to mean if I am a school teacher, social worker, bartender, or blackjack dealer it is all the same. So if I believe that I am a son of God does that not free me up to not get caught up in the things of the world, and if I am not caught up does not that give me more of an ability to be successful in this world? We say, and I believe, that all of the bible is written to the spirit. Then we will immediately say, "if you do not work you do not eat." There seems to be a disconnect here. If someone has enough money to have a paid for $75000 condo, can drive a nice car, and has enough food to be overweight does that preclude them from being one of the one's that can't or are they the others that can?
These are real questions I have, nothing in this post is intended to be a negative statement toward anybody. I love this forum and the truths that of spoken of here.
CIY
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