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Name of the Father?
lilitalienboi16:
Does ray talk anywhere about the name of the Father? This whole paper I've seen him talk about writing, the Jesus and the Father, one God paper and stumbling upon the use of the phrase "name of the Father" has got me thinking and I don't really know to what end other then I'm curious as to what if anything ray has said is the Name of the Father?
Also, I must be quiet honest, I don't understand the supposed confusion around the relationship between Christ and the Father? The ONE GOD issue?
I always understood it to be that Christ came out of the Father, and that in the beginning through Christ but OUT from the Father came creation as we know it. That the God of the old testament is indeed Christ and that this Son of God, came down, emptied himself of his divinity and died for us to show us the Father, to show us that God does indeed love us.
I always understood the one God relationship as beeing the way it was in Genesis; This is a rough quote but basically this, "As a man shall leave his mother and father to be with his wife, that they two might be one." Two flesh, ONE.
Same idea with the Father and Son, Two beings , one spirit, one God etc...? I suppose if you said "Two Gods, one spirit.." We could have a problem as their is only one God but, I could be inventing that part up, so.. "Two beings one God." Much like stated in genesis between a man and a woman.
Am I wrong about this? Wheres ray going with all this and whats the supposed "confusion" surroudinng the one God issue?
I hope that made sense.. I know it was a mouthful.
God bless,
Alex
newgene87:
I ditto the question and express my confusion as well.it seems ray got too busy trying to stump trinitarions that he caused me more confusion. Jesus says, "I AND MY FATHER are ONE". Not to say that there's two Gods, but 2 "nouns", per se, is presented there. And I'm still confused how "Jesus" is the God of the Old Testament, he's the son of God, Son of the Father....wouldn't the Father be the God of the old testament??? That's my confusion. And shouldn't there be Two, yet one. Just like you pointed out, the man and woman being one flesh. And he expresses the shema, "YHVH Elohim is one YHVH." Ray has slightly confused me how Jesus IS THAT God....then who was he "praying" to??? Like trinity has been left my mind, its always seemed foolish. But it seems that there are TWO elements that make One Being, I.e "I and the Father are One". I will continue to pray for understanding on this. Thanks :)
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: newgene87 on October 25, 2011, 10:18:27 PM ---I ditto the question and express my confusion as well.it seems ray got too busy trying to stump trinitarions that he caused me more confusion. Jesus says, "I AND MY FATHER are ONE". Not to say that there's two Gods, but 2 "nouns", per se, is presented there. And I'm still confused how "Jesus" is the God of the Old Testament, he's the son of God, Son of the Father....wouldn't the Father be the God of the old testament??? That's my confusion. And shouldn't there be Two, yet one. Just like you pointed out, the man and woman being one flesh. And he expresses the shema, "YHVH Elohim is one YHVH." Ray has slightly confused me how Jesus IS THAT God....then who was he "praying" to??? Like trinity has been left my mind, its always seemed foolish. But it seems that there are TWO elements that make One Being, I.e "I and the Father are One". I will continue to pray for understanding on this. Thanks :)
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Jesus plainly says before Abraham was I AM. Also, we know since no man has ever heard nor seen the Father, that everything seen of God and heard of God in the old testament must therefor have been the Son, Jesus, unless we believe God contradicts Himself, and none of us here believe that. Atleast I don't think we do. I'm sure there exists many many other reasons but those are the very two off the top of my head.
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Love
River:
Personally this is how I recognize the name of the Father. These things speak of Him! They declare Him!
John 10:27 My sheep listen to my voice
1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
John 4:24 God is spirit
1 John 1:5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all
Matthew 7:16 You shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Matthew 7:11 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father who is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
Luke 6:35 But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked
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