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Ray's email
« on: October 30, 2011, 05:30:24 PM »

When will your new paper be finished?  I feel like his spirit in me says that in the flesh Jesus was
completely man, he had divested himself of divinity, but in spirit he is once again the creator god.
From Randy

Dear Randy:  I have no idea.  Only God knows.  A better question would be: "When will you START
writing your new paper?"  I have not been feeling very well the whole last year.  However, I have been
reading and studying a lot, also taking hundreds of pages of notes, but I haven't written but a few
pages on what could be called my "New Paper."  I know people think that I should be able to solve
in a few months what hundreds of thousands of theologians, scholars, teachers, and ministers have
not been able to solve in over two thousand years, but that is not the case I'm afraid. There are
numerous problems with the appearing of Jesus Christ in the New Testament as not only the Son of
God, but God Himself, and yet remain true to the teaching that there is only ONE GOD. I may know
the answer, but Scripturally proving it is a little more difficult than most can imagine.

Who was Jesus when "he had divested himself of divinity" as you say?  The only "Jesus" we are
told of in the Bible is the One Who was born of the virgin Mary.  Who was He and where was He at
the time that He "divested" Himself?  Where do we find Jesus Christ BEFORE the New Testament?
Where did He come from?  Who was He BEFORE He divested His divinity and BEFORE He was
born of a virgin?  Is He even mentioned in the Old Testament?  Or did the God of the Old Testament
divest Himself of His divinity?

If there is only ONE God and that ONE God "divested" Himself of His divinity, then Who is running the
Universe?  Who remains as a God UN-divested of Divinity?  If you say that that God is God the Father,
then Who was the God that divested Himself of divinity?  If you say Jesus, then we have TWO GODS--
One divested and One UN-divested!  If there was but ONE GOD and that One God divested Himself
of His divinity and DIED, then how is it that we still have TWO LIVING GODS?  We have [1] Jesus, the
One that Thomas called "My LORD and my GOD," and we have [2] God the Father Who raised the
"LORD AND GOD" of doubting Thomas from the dead.  See what mean?  It's a ENIGMA!!  May God
grant us all patience till we come into a greater knowledge of the Truth.


I read this email.... If Ray says Jesus is the Father who divested himself of his divinity when he came down as the Son. A few questions popped up... 1) who was Jesus praying to when he prayed? 2) Jesus always denied that he was the Father nor equal to him.3) who was talking to Jesus at his baptism, announcing his beloved son? Who was he praying to on the cross? To forgive them? Was he talking to himself? Did they split in two? Jesus said he was the firstborn of many while God doesn't have a beginning while Jesus does? Bible did say that when we return to the Father, we become one with him.

I realize Jesus told the people that when they see him, they see the Father.

It's a bit confusing....ESP when he comes down as the Son? Why did he come down as the son when he can come down as the Father? The old testament's prophecy promises of a messiah who will come down and save us. Messiah means the said it will bring peace.  It didn't say anything about the messiah being God himself.  Why not just say... One day, God will come down as man.....why be so cryptic about it? I just don't understand why he come down as the son when he can come down as the Father? I am aware of the early letters of early church fathers that addressed Jesus as God himself but it's quite confusing with the scriptures that seemed to point that God and Jesus was separate.

Thoughts? I'm trying to comprehend this. Help?


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Re: Ray's email
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2011, 06:21:18 PM »

I'll see your questions (and Ray's too, for that matter) and raise you twenty more of my own.   :D

When we have a more unified and coherent 'paper' from Ray, we'll have something to discuss.  In the meantime, there's nothing stopping anybody from asking any question they can think of.  We just can't answer it--at least not without overstepping our 'calling' here.  As Ray put it in that very email, "May God grant us all patience till we come into a greater knowledge of the Truth."  

Even if it arrives while we're all still in the flesh, what are we going to do?  See perfectly, face-to-face?   To my mind, GREATER knowledge is the best we can ever hope for this side of resurrection.  

Heb 10:32  But you must continue to remember those earlier days, how after you were enlightened you endured a hard and painful struggle.
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