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Why God grieved, repented and changed ?
odading:
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on November 26, 2011, 04:15:31 PM ---I'm sorry Odading.
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Please don't be Alex.
I'm fully aware that my post is stubborn, stupid and crazy.
Didn't I have the shame to put stupid post here ? I should, but I don't... because what I post is from my heart - and NEVER have the intention of "this is right, that is wrong".
I'm assuming I'm also the believer that God will intervene human daily life in every sec, but from reading the bible verse, I can't find a sentence which can lead to be interpreted like that. (in other words - some of Ray's interpretation is not the same with me).
I've been in my own language Christian Forum.
1. Their interpretation of Father, Son and Holy Spirit is different with me.
2. They say fallen angels, I don't find a verse which can lead to be interpreted like that.
3. I don't believe in heaven and hell, they do.
I'm not seeing them (the members there) is wrong and I am right (or vise versa) - I still befriends with them, still posting in that forum and they are always welcome to me. I just feel - somewhat that I don't "belong" to them.
Then I googled, then I arrived on Ray's website - and I knew that I'm not alone, as those 3 points above mentioned is Ray's page are the same of my understanding.
Then I realize, how complicated my human mind ... Found "match" of 3 points above - but still it turned out there is another thing that don't "match" ;D
As in my first post,
I do believe God's WILL - but only in His WILL about human life and death.
In that, I clearly see how human is nothing and powerless - I'm not supposed to be proud of what good and bad things had happened or will happen to me. It will be nothing after I type this text then I die instantly.
In my understanding, God indeed controls human - but when God said "you can eat all the fruit..." - IMO that doesn't mean God control this second Adam will eat mango, another second Adam will eat papaya.
I am more take a simple example, that how God control human is the same how parents control their children. (I know it can't be applied exactly ... :)).
--- Quote ---He's written an entire series on free will, it's four papers long but well worth the read.
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Thanks for the advice, I'm in the part two reading now... :)
once again, please... you don't need to apologize. Whatever you want to say, just shoot ... I'm immune in my stubbornness ... ;D
For Dave, thank you once again for understanding me...
and I'm sorry if this respond is out of topic.
btw I've tried to download the audio, but my poor connection always disconnected after a long download time waiting (time out).
regards,
odading.
cjwood:
odading, i just wanted to say i enjoy your questions and the answers that come from the bt forum members. yes, your english is a little challenging to understand, but i find if i reread your posts slowly i can understand what you are saying.
i hope you continue to stay in the forum. your questions will be answered. God's Spirit is surely here with us, in us, guiding us, as we continue to love Him above all others, and as we continue to follow His commandments.
stand strong in the faith He has given you. keep your eyes focused on Him and you will see His handiwork everywhere you look.
claudia
Dave in Tenn:
Odading, now we may be getting down to the root. You believe that God 'intervenes' miraculously, and that the rest of the time, things happen according to the laws of cause and affect. Either way--end of FREE will--no such thing.
You are correct that the scripture about hairs does not say God commands each one to fall. He does know, we can understand from that verse alone. But consider what scripture DOES say.
Eph 1:7-11 ...according to the riches of His grace which He caused to abound toward us in all wisdom and understanding, making known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, for the administration of the fullness of the times to head up all things in Christ, both the things in the heavens, and the things on earth, in Him, in whom we also have been chosen to an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of the One working all things according to the counsel of His own will...
If the Butterfly Effect (the notion that the flapping of a butterfly's wing in one part of the world causes a flood in another part of the world) is true, then even the falling of our hairs might be part of the overall plan and purpose of God. The verse itself is 'about' His care and Love.
We are not 'programmed' to love God, or to obey Him. If anything, we are 'programmed' to NOT love God nor obey Him. We HAVE to go through this in order to develop the character of God. We WILL learn to do the will of the Father and we WILL come to love Him with all our hearts. Not because we always wanted to--we don't even know who He is until He tells us--but because He first loved us. In this way, He IS guiding us as a parent would--if the parent was Almighty God and the child was destined to be in His image. We may coddle and protect infants, but it takes some suffering to mature when we've grown up a little.
1Jn 4:9,10 By this was the love of God revealed in us, because God has sent His only-begotten Son into the world, so that we should live through Him. In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son [as] a propitiation [or, appeasing sacrifice] concerning our sins.
When was this Love revealed? In Eden? In Israel? They are just shadows of the reality. I have a feeling--though don't take it as theology--that God 'grieved' in part, because the time had not yet come when He could express (reveal) the Love He has.
I don't think we know the external will of God at any single moment. It seems like it can veer off in any direction, though it will always be the way He foreknew and pre-ordained. That's why we walk by faith. I don't believe we can know the will of God for the future, unless it's revealed to us--again, by faith. I do believe we can know the will of God as it has already happened, but that too requires faith. It's looking back that reveals it, even if it's not in full.
To be honest, I think 'we' see more evidence of the 'miraculous' than you might imagine. We're coming to know a God who is not outside His creation, peeking in from time to time and tweaking things, but it takes more than a few verses to see that. The SUM of His word is truth.
You already understand that there is only so much the forum can do. There's only so much it's designed to do. I wish I could answer your question about the verses in Jeremiah directly. Maybe somebody else can. But if you would like to pose the question to Ray, I'd be more than happy to help you put it into more standard English, if I can and you want.
Side note: I understand poor connections. I had a 28.8k dialup connection when I first was on B-T. It took me a month's worth of trying to stream enough 'video' to even get much of a glimpse at what he looked like. :D There are transcripts of all or most of the 'talks' too. Let us know which one, and we can link directly, or you can poke around here: http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/board,12.0.html
Dave in Tenn:
One more thought: If you are willing to answer, what is your native language? It may be possible there is somebody on the forum who knows it.
indianabob:
Basic style and format :
Most of the problem in uttering the Balinese language by foreigners is caused by the westernization process of the spelling-out the native Balinese words. Most written Balinese words usually said in a different way by a foreigner so that no Balinese could even understand.
Starting from now, we will try to spell out the native Balinese words phonetically as in english words but in bold segments so that the words could sound as what they really sound in the real Balinese language, so anyone can read the words phonetically and be able to pronounce the words clearly (with a little practice, of course).
Notes : Make sure the part of the word which is not printed in bold is not pronounced.
For example : the word "Bli" (in Balinese language, literally means "Older brother") sounds like "Bleep" without the "p" sound at the end.
Here are some Balinese language pronouns for example so that you could start to learn the Balinese language instantly ...
English Balinese Pronounced
I, me Tiang Tea-young
You / He (older male) Bli Bleep
You / He (younger male) Gus Ghost
You / She (female) Gek Gecko
Mother / Mom Meme May-May
Father / Dad Bapa Bath-Power
To be continued ... (~_^)
http://coralreeffish.com/balinese.htm
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