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gmik:
whenever I had read that scsripture in 1 Sam. I never once thought of it as a hint at homosexuality.

I always thoght it as a bond- ya know- like soldiers in battle or team sports- something that guys know about that is different than their love for women...

but I agree w/ posts...so what? and it can never be fully known one way or the other...  David died in his sins but will become ...all in all w/ Christ and God at the end of the age...

and God called David a man after His own heart...high praise indeed..wow

Samson:

--- Quote from: newgene87 on December 22, 2011, 11:52:16 PM ---I hope i worded that right? Just something that i read this morning. So, I have this daily scriptures app on my phone cause I take delight in reading random verses from the scriptures and one popped up today that threw me off. Okay, I don't know the full argument with Christians who are "homosexual" neither do I judge one bit, but I heard that they use David and Jonathan in their equation. Not only does it say, "...that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loves him as his own soul ...then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul." (1Samuel18:1-3). Okay that may seem questionable to me but I don't just see it like that; maybe they were just close. Good good friends.....BUT, now the verse I'm getting to...

"I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: THY LOVE TO ME WAS WONDERFUL, PASSING THE LOVE OF WOMEN." (2Samuel1:26). Now, I wasn't expecting to ever read a verse like that but that sounds like David and Jonathan were more than just "Friends" or "companions". Maybe Ray spoke on this matter before and I mean THAT VERSE BEFORE. Cause it says love passing the love of women. Now I will say, I am engaged to a beautiful woman and I'm perfect happy with that, it's just that verse really makes me think that maybe that says something that it's not implying?? If that makes sense? but can someone explain this verse to me? Again, hopefully I'm not offending anyone, I truly mean no offense but jut a question of truth on my part. I personally have a very close relative who lives that lifestyle and I don't judge him at all. I accept and love him. Just a question. Thanks

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Hi Gene,

It's interesting how an individuals mindset or desire comes into play when examining certain passages of Scripture as to the meaning and interpretation. I'm not referring to YOU in what my comment is about to consist of. What I mean by Mindset or desire is this, one's frame of reference or beliefs at the time someone would read a passage like the one above depicting Jonathan & David's close bond affection for one another. The first time I read this passage, it never once occurred to Me that they(Jonathan & David) had some type of sexual desire or relationship between them. It's often that We experience or know of cases where Two Males or Two Females have a very close bond that is greater in most area's than the one they have with their Marriage Mate in which they have no sexual desire whatsoever, I've experienced such a relationship with another Male, not presently, where He and I had so much in common: Our thinking, reasoning, interests, trust and a strong affection that didn't include or desire anything sexual in nature and at that time, I could trust this close Male friend more than my Marriage Mate. I've observed this type of scenario with Women too.

"Generally Speaking," Males have more in common with other Males and likewise, Females have more in common with other Females, there are always exceptions, as with anything, but it's been my experience that the above usually holds true. Now, I'm not trying to preach Psychology 101 in my comment, but My Post relates to Ones Mindset or desire when viewing the Scriptural Passage in question.

If someone were a practicing Homosexual that is attempting to reconcile passages from the Scriptures in order to maintain that they are Christian believers, wouldn't they need to have an alternate interpretation of passages that present Homosexuality as being wrong and to find passages that appear to justify this course or practice. They have to downplay or interpret differently Romans. 1:24-27; 1Cor. 6:9-11(Greek-Arsenokoites, Sodomite, Males with lie with Males); 1Tim. 1:10(Arsenokoites in this passage too).

In Ray's Article from the front page of this Web-Site regarding Homosexuality, Ray actually addresses some of these claims made by a Gay Church organization. So, in conclusion, if someone or anyone were looking for the justification of this practice, they would welcome any interpretation that they could use to maintain that lifestyle or perhaps to ease their conscience. Individuals have done that also with the passage in Genesis regarding Sodom & Gomorrah(chapter 19) claiming the inhabitants were inhospitable. Of course they were inhospitable and many other things, sounds like New York City,  ::).

          Hope this Helps, If not, I guess y'all will let me have it, Samson.

JohnMichael:
Hi Gene,

In line with what Samson and others have said, I have heard the David/Jonathan and Naomi/Ruth arguments. If they did have sexual relationships, it still doesn't jive with Romans, 1 Corinthians, Leviticus, or any of the other passages that refer to homosexual practices. The Scriptures do not hide the faults of the people that are written about. They are for our instruction, reproof, admonition, example, etc.

I've even heard the justification that the Scriptures were just referring to prostitution but not consenting relationships. The carnal mind will try to find any loophole to do what it wants to do. I say that not in condemnation because this is the very struggle of the flesh that I wrestle with.

Rene also had a very good answer. If they were, that doesn't justify it. It will still have to be repented of.

Hope this helps.

In Him,
John

newgene87:
Beautifully put Samson. That was amazing and I will take that to heart. I am currently in the Army and I should know the bond with an opposite sex can be strong without sexual desire. Oh How God is judging me right now through that. Thank you all for the replies. I love this forum. Thank you all for the insight and correction.  :-)

rumpelstiltskin:
The whole thing reminds me of a Simpson's episode, where Dr Hibert comments something like " What sort of love do you mean? that between a woman and a man or that of a man for a fine cigar  :)

Peace

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