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free will, free choice?...confused!
Gina:
--- Quote from: david1611kjv on February 07, 2012, 09:38:24 AM ---Hi guys, i am having some difficulty understanding the extent of what choice and will we have.......my question is; If Christ knew exactly what would happen in the case of Peter denying Him 3times and the cock crowing 3times, then how can we possibly have any level of freedom of choice or will when such specific things are prophesied in scripture?...lots of universalists give a case for free will/choice/moral agency or whatever you want to call it, im confused by this..any insights would be greatly appreciated on this passage..:¬)
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Hi, David
What's their beef?
Stacey:
Hi David,
It is a humbling experience to say the least when we began to learn some of these truths. Especially when we are confronted with one like this one you bring up. It's a biggie! For me it comes down to this. God is sovereign. Nothing and nobody can negate the sovereignty of God to any degree in any shape form or fashion. Not even the opinions of many Universalists.
As far as I know, nobody here claims that name tag and for good reason. None of us want to be associated with the opinions of that gang or any other one. Even though Ray's beliefs and teaching is similar to what some universal groups believe there are always contradictions between what they teach and what the truth is like the example you bring up here.
The Myth of Free Will four part series totally destroys any chance of free moral agency or the likes of it. BUT, having it all spelled out for us in the LOF series and believing it doesn't prevent times of struggle and even doubt. It's a process. I reckon as long as we are in these carnal flesh bags on this side of glory, we are gonna have area's of the truth that each of us have difficulties with.
Deborah-Leigh:
Hi David
Maturity in Spirit, will determine our choices. It is the Spirit, that determines our maturity.
Arc
jccarterjr:
I spent 36 year choosing to run like a mad man away from what God wanted me to do. During that time he used me anyway to do his work and that just made me more determined to choose to stay away from him and anyone wanting to tell me about his plan. I got saved when I was 5 and then I got abused at a Christian school.
Fir a long time I kept choosing to deny myself, to deny the special creature God made me and it brought me nothing but inner turmoil and despair.
Last summer I thought I was dying, well actually I was hoping I was dying. I even called out to God to just kill me and get it over with. Then I begged him to make me his servant. I chose to become the servant the Lord always meant for me to be. You have a choice, but there are consequences for trying to go it alone. When you get real humble and you beg God down on your hands and knees with tears flowing like rain and you can barely speak though your own wailing, you make a choice and every day after that you keeping making a choice, His way or the hard way. His way ain't easy but it is so much more rewarding.
I have free will to listen and do as I am told or face the consequences and still be put in the same situations. There is a choice, just not the one you think.
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: jccarterjr on February 12, 2012, 07:58:36 AM ---I have free will to listen and do as I am told or face the consequences and still be put in the same situations. There is a choice, just not the one you think.
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Making choices and having a free will are not one in the same. We all have the ability to make choices, but not a free choice, as in free of any and all outside influence and circumstances. See the articles on the myth of free will on the main site (http://bible-truths.com).
Marques
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