Hi Santgem,
I don't think Kat is saying that Jesus appeared as flesh and blood when He appeared to Moses or that He is in anyway flesh and blood but rather that He has the "form" or "likeness" of a man. If He is the image of God that we as humans are to behold in order to understand God the Father, and in fact God, it would make sense that this image would be in a form that we can relate to.
I don't claim to have the answers or who is right or wrong, but I certainly see this idea as being possible and the scriptures seem to imply this, though again, it is the SUM of the Word that is truth and in a subject as deep and profound as this one, we might not be looking at the totality of the scriptures on this matter. I would imagine such an exposition would take up pages upon pages of individual scripture just to lay it all down, let alone explain it.
Either way, I find this discussion to be very edifying as I am reminded of old things and seeing new things as well.
God bless,
Alex
Hello Alex,
Greetings
Actually you are right, when He appeared to Moises He has the “form” or “Likeness” of a man. Moises did see the back parts of God which is a form.
Speaking in the OT, YHWH cannot have his human form with flesh and blood or else it will contradicts hundreds of verses in the Scripture.
If YHWH had his human form as a man, then he will be under law as
“Gal. 4:4and when the fullness of time did come, God sent forth His Son, come of a woman, come under law”Jesus fulfilled the law in the NT, we are now under grace.
Another things is the prophecy. He was prophesied that he "He had to be born of a virgin", "And in that day there shall be a Root of Jesse", "He is despised and rejected of men, dying on the cross", "they pierced my hands and my feet" and many more. Prophecy is exact and precised and there is no way that it cannot be fulfilled. Jesus has to fulfill the prophecy concerning him. No one can thwarted the prophecy. If said that he will become a man on that day, year, hour then it must be done and must be materialized.
I just listened to the audio that posted by Dennis then suddenly it stopped, I skip the 28 minutes but did not work. I did it many times but not work.
Anyhow I heard Ray saying that Physical is temporary and Spirit is eternal.
If Spirit is eternal and “YHWH” who is the “I Am” who is “Jesus” and Jesus is Lord and the Lord is that Spirit, then Jesus is eternal.
Let me give you my insight that i do not believe that Jesus is a created being.
Let us just say that when God(Father) begotten the Son(God) which is YHWH, YHWH is in the bosom of the Father.John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son(the only begotten God), who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
YHWH, the only begotten Son(God) being in the form of God empty himself and made in the likeness of men.Phl 2:6-7 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:but did empty himself, the form of a servant having taken, in the likeness of men having been made,
The only remaining in heaven is the Father because the YHWH who is in the bosom of the Father emptied himself to become a man. But before he became a man he is sharing the glory with the Father.Jhn 17:5'And now, glorify me, Thou Father, with Thyself, with the glory that I had before the world was, with Thee;
Now YHWH becomes a man. This son shall be called Jesus.Mat 1:21-23 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Again God bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world. Heb 1:5-6 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
The man Jesus is now subjected under the law so that he can fulfill the law and have God because he had the flesh and had God the moment he was born.Gal 4:4 and when the fullness of time did come, God sent forth His Son, come of a woman, come under law
Psalm 22. I was thrust into your arms at my birth. You have been my God from the moment I was born.
Jer 32:27Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there anything too hard for me?
Jesus accomplished the task given to him by his Father.Jhn 19:28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst 28….. he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
After Jesus was born by a virgin and after resurrection and glorified, Jesus is still a man. Jesus had a God and Father.Rev 1:6And hath made us kings and priests unto
God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen
Rev 3:12Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple
of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name
of my God, and the name of the city
of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from
my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
Luke 24:39Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a
spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Act 2:31He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell,
neither his flesh did see corruption.
Act 17:31Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness
by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men,
the man Christ Jesus;
This now we can relate to God our Father through Jesus. Jesus is God and man at the same time. He will be God and man forever. The man Jesus Christ is our mediator to the Father.