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thetruth:
In Genesis 2-7 Its God life... which God is Spirit, breathed into mans nostrils!Not mans or anyone else breath right?So we know that 2-Cor-3-6 tells us ....that the Spirit gives life.So doesnt that mean everyone has at least a measure of God in them?Because its God inside of each man?I say this because as that is the case than all being saved should be no problem unless one would say God could not be saved?I want to state empathically that I am NOT trying to teach anything this is something that has been on my mind and i ask for your thoughts on this subject.thanks the truth
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: thetruth on February 17, 2012, 10:53:10 PM ---In Genesis 2-7 Its God life... which God is Spirit, breathed into mans nostrils!Not mans or anyone else breath right?So we know that 2-Cor-3-6 tells us ....that the Spirit gives life.So doesnt that mean everyone has at least a measure of God in them?Because its God inside of each man?I say this because as that is the case than all being saved should be no problem unless one would say God could not be saved?I want to state empathically that I am NOT trying to teach anything this is something that has been on my mind and i ask for your thoughts on this subject.thanks the truth
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The spirit that gives every living creature life is not the same as the Holy Spirit which leads to eonian life. There is plenty of testimony in the scriptures of the salvation of all, but I don't think this example put forth is one.
Kat:
Hi thetruth,
As Marques was saying the Holy Spirit is a separate Spirit from the spirit of life given to the Elect now, so they can understand. But I can see what you mean in a way. God is in all of us because He is everywhere, omnipresence. So as God being everywhere and in everything it is like He is working out all this for Himself as much as anything. So to say that God can not save all is equivalent to saying God can not save part of His own being in a way. Here is a part of the 06 conference where Ray was speaking on something like this.
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“But to US there is but ONE GOD THE FATHER, OF Whom are all things [all things?], and we in Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by Him. Howbeit, there is not in every man this knowledge…” (1 Cor. 8:5-7)
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Notice what it said “But to us there is but one God the Father, of whom are all…”. What is the all? Well, what is not of the Father, nothing. What about Jesus, is Jesus of the Father or is He His own God? It says, of the Father is all, that would have to include Jesus. “…and we in Him…”, what does this mean? There is one God and we are in Him. How are we in Him? There are other scriptures talking about God being in us.
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Acts 17:26 He has made of one blood, all nations of men, for to dwell on the face of the earth. And He is determined their appointed seasons and boundaries of their habitation,
v. 27 that they should seek God, if haply they might feel (grope) after Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;
Now we have another false concept, where is God? in heaven? Well, where is heaven? Waaay up there?
He is not far from any one of us, but what does that have to do with the theory, you have to go worship in a church or on this day or that day? He is not far from any of us! We don’t pay attention to the words.
GOD IS SPIRIT, but nowhere in scripture does it say, God is a Spirit, God IS Spirit.
v. 28 For in Him we live, and move, and have our being (we exist in Him), as certain even of your own poets have said, for we are also His offspring.
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So let’s think about this a little bit, who is the Father? In Him we live and breath and have our being. Liken the ocean to the Spirit of God, and liken us to the fish. The fish are 95% water, the ocean is in the fish, and the fish are in the ocean, get it?
A bird has very porous bones, because they have to be very light. It flies in the heavens, it breaths fast, because it needs strength and oxygen. So the air (which is like the Spirit of God, which is what he calls it in the NT, Greek word for spirit is pheuma), the expanse is even called heaven, where the bird flies, and liken the air to the Spirit of God. The bird has air in him and is flying through the air.
Now this is what the Scriptures say, we are in God and God is in us. So, get it out of your head that God is a man, sitting on a stone throne, like Abraham Lincoln in Washington D.C., an old man with gray hair. God is right here, it (Bible) says so, we have to just listen to the words.
God is Spirit, it also says God is invisible, you can’t see Him, not literally. We can see Him in Spirit, as in our heart, in our mind, our soul, our spirit, in our innermost being.
The thing that makes us different from plants and other animals, is we can 'see' God. I’m trying to help you right now, to see God. So when you leave here, you will see God in a way you didn’t, when you walked in here. If God opens it up to you, I can only tell you, but God must open it up for you to grasp it.
God is here, not here because we are here, but He was here before we got here and He’ll still be after we leave. Because this desk is here and this desk has it's cohesion in Jesus Christ. It is through Jesus Christ that this desk holds together or it would fall apart. It takes energy and power, what is the source of the power, Jesus Christ, which comes from the Father and it’s passed off out of Him. One Father, one God, all and everything is out of Him. GOD IS ALMIGHTY!
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
thetruth:
Hello ,Marques and Kat
First, thanks so much for taking the time to try and help me out on this!I guess now the question would be as to how to reconcile the following quote by Scripture:
"As Marques was saying the Holy Spirit is a separate Spirit from the spirit of life given to the Elect now."
What other Spirit can give life?I guess thats were I am missing it.
Kat ,you are absolutly right as to why I asked this question.... as that is my thought process. I was hoping I could get some insight from my AWESOME brothers and sisters here on BT.I dont want to be a thorn in the flesh here or cause confusion in anyway.So please if anyone else has something that could help me understand this please feel free to post or feel free to pm me. And again thanks Marques and Kat for your input.thetruth
Gina:
Jerry
I haven't read all the replies, but there is a physical spirit that gives physical life--it's what we call the breath of life. It's the air God gave us to breathe. It's purely physical in nature. It serves no other purpose but to make our chests rise and fall as we breathe in and out. Purely physical. Can't change a thing in our spiritual hearts or minds.
The Last Adam is a life giving spirit.
So try and look at it this way:
The Holy Spirit/Comforter renews our (crooked, dishonorable) hearts and minds. It does what physical air cannot do.
The physical air (spirit) that makes us alive, but only physically, is a shadow of the way the Holy Spirit will make us really and truly alive.
I hope that helps a little.
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