> General Discussions
Ray Reveals His Creed
indianabob:
Quote;
I think I completely misunderstood your question. What was Jesus first, you asked, meaning was he first man or first God? Is that what you're asking?
Friends,
Hasn't Ray Smith written; "first the physical then the spiritual"?
And could that apply to Lord Jesus the man as well as it does to us?
Begotten of God and born of woman, then raised to life as man, then ascended to the Father as King of future kings, the elect.
If not why not?
I don't recall the source, but perhaps someone may know.
Indiana Bob
Kat:
--- Quote ---Friends,
Hasn't Ray Smith written; "first the physical then the spiritual"?
And could that apply to Lord Jesus the man as well as it does to us?
Begotten of God and born of woman, then raised to life as man, then ascended to the Father as King of future kings, the elect.
If not why not?
I don't recall the source, but perhaps someone may know.
Indiana Bob
--- End quote ---
The source of that statement was not Ray, it comes from Apostle Paul.
1Cor 15:46 But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php?topic=3316.0 -----------------------
What constitutes "God?" Was Jesus "God?' when He was in the flesh? ETc., etc., etc., etc. "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US" (Matt. 1:23). Well now, was Jesus "a man with us" or "GOD with us?" Some claim that Jesus WAS THE FATHER IN FLESH. Makes one wonder who in the world Jesus prayed to if that were the case? Did He pray to HIMSELF? On the other hand, there are now those trying to deceive bible-truth.com readers into believing that Jesus was so totally FLESH, that "He was MADE SIN" rather than made "a sin OFFERING."
Jesus was a MAN with the MIND OF GOD. Jesus "emptied" (Phil. 2:5, "But made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Him the form of a servant, and WAS [Greek for 'was' means "EMPTIED"]...." My margin says: "emptied himself of His privileges." Jesus gave up many of His prior privileges when He was made a littler lower than the angels for the express purpose of being able to DIE (Heb. 2:9). Notice that He was "crowned with GLORY and honour," yet He gave up much of His glory in becoming human, and that is why He prayed that His Father would RESTORE the glories that He had with His Father from before the foundation of the world (John 17:5). Etc.
God be with you,
Ray
lauriellen:
a quote from Ray's paper 'Solving the Enigma of God":
"If Jesus and Jehovah are just different spellings of the very same name, how can Jesus be Jehovah and Jehovah be Jesus? Good question, and I will try to solve that enigma for you in my paper "Solving the Enigma of God." But for now, let's notice a few things that do prove that this is so."
...notice he writes "let's notice a few things that do PROVE THAT THIS IS SO.".........
theophilus:
--- Quote from: Game Over on January 03, 2013, 02:46:08 PM ---I think I completely misunderstood your question. What was Jesus first, you asked, meaning was he first man or first God? Is that what you're asking?
--- End quote ---
Yes! :) I meant was he first man or first God? Greetings! Just waking up. I had a long week at work and my body aches all over.
theophilus:
--- Quote from: indianabob on January 03, 2013, 04:17:19 PM ---Quote;
I think I completely misunderstood your question. What was Jesus first, you asked, meaning was he first man or first God? Is that what you're asking?
Friends,
Hasn't Ray Smith written; "first the physical then the spiritual"?
And could that apply to Lord Jesus the man as well as it does to us?
Begotten of God and born of woman, then raised to life as man, then ascended to the Father as King of future kings, the elect.
If not why not?
I don't recall the source, but perhaps someone may know.
Indiana Bob
--- End quote ---
That's right. Was he first man or first God?
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[#] Next page
[*] Previous page
Go to full version