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Gina:
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--- Quote from: Game Over on January 03, 2013, 02:46:08 PM ---I think I completely misunderstood your question. What was Jesus first, you asked, meaning was he first man or first God? Is that what you're asking?
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Yes! :) I meant was he first man or first God? Greetings! Just waking up. I had a long week at work and my body aches all over.
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Hi there! :) I hope you're feeling better. JFK answered your question pretty well. But here it is from the bible itself. Read it and tell me what you conclude:
The Word Became Flesh
John Chapter 1
vs. 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
vs 2 He was with God in the beginning.
vs 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
vs 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of men.
vs 5 The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.
vs 14 The Word [which is God] BECAME FLESH [a human man] and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
levycarneiro:
Just something interesting I found today on the Concordant Version:
John 1
1 In the beginning was the word, and the word was toward God, and God was the word.
2 This was in the beginning toward God.
Instead of "with God" it says - at least in this version - "was toward God".
Found it interesting. Pondering what that might mean as opposed to "with God".
theophilus:
--- Quote from: Game Over on January 05, 2013, 09:07:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: theophilus on January 05, 2013, 05:58:22 PM ---
--- Quote from: Game Over on January 03, 2013, 02:46:08 PM ---I think I completely misunderstood your question. What was Jesus first, you asked, meaning was he first man or first God? Is that what you're asking?
--- End quote ---
Yes! :) I meant was he first man or first God? Greetings! Just waking up. I had a long week at work and my body aches all over.
--- End quote ---
Hi there! :) I hope you're feeling better. JFK answered your question pretty well. But here it is from the bible itself. Read it and tell me what you conclude:
The Word Became Flesh
John Chapter 1
vs. 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
vs 2 He was with God in the beginning.
vs 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
vs 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of men.
vs 5 The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.
vs 14 The Word [which is God] BECAME FLESH [a human man] and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
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Thank you! :) Yes, I'm feeling better.
Yup, it's very clear. The gospel writer identifies the Word as Jesus. He was "at that time" referred to as THE WORD. It almost seems like God uttered this WORD. Upon doing so, the universe came into being, and ultimately, God's utterance became flesh.
My native language is Spanish. THE WORD is translated as THE VERB into Spanish from the Greek. If we were to use this form in the English translation, it would read IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE VERB, AND THE VERB WAS WITH GOD, AND THE VERB WAS GOD. We all know that a verb expresses an action. I think in this case the action was a creative one. I can picture God "speaking" this action verb causing our universe to come into existence.
Mind you, this is not a belief that I have. It's just a conjecture. And yes, I do believe in Jesus. I've witnessed his authority in action.
theophilus:
--- Quote from: Levy on January 06, 2013, 06:12:12 AM ---Just something interesting I found today on the Concordant Version:
John 1
1 In the beginning was the word, and the word was toward God, and God was the word.
2 This was in the beginning toward God.
Instead of "with God" it says - at least in this version - "was toward God".
Found it interesting. Pondering what that might mean as opposed to "with God".
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Hi Levy, come to think of it, I had read about that rendering of John 1:1. I think it means something like the Word was in the presence of God or face to face with God.
levycarneiro:
--- Quote from: theophilus on January 06, 2013, 06:32:14 AM ---
--- Quote from: Levy on January 06, 2013, 06:12:12 AM ---Just something interesting I found today on the Concordant Version:
John 1
1 In the beginning was the word, and the word was toward God, and God was the word.
2 This was in the beginning toward God.
Instead of "with God" it says - at least in this version - "was toward God".
Found it interesting. Pondering what that might mean as opposed to "with God".
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Hi Levy, come to think of it, I had read about that rendering of John 1:1. I think it means something like the Word was in the presence of God or face to face with God.
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Hey theophilus,
maybe that the Word was going towards becoming God too, and indeed became God and He became God even before the world was created (by Himself, the Word). Firstborn among many brothers, like He is so are we.
God bless,
Levy
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