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david1611kjv

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aion/eternal?
« on: February 22, 2012, 02:49:22 PM »

2cor4:18 So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal(niv).....................................................................
2cor4:18 we not looking to the things seen, but to the things not seen; for the things seen are temporary, but the things not seen are age-during(ylt)................

comparing these 2 verses is difficult for me from our unversalist viewpoint, can anyone elaborate on this? it seems that if aion never means forever/eternal this verse would be very confusing.
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Re: aion/eternal?
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2012, 08:45:52 PM »

2cor4:18 So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal(niv).....................................................................
2cor4:18 we not looking to the things seen, but to the things not seen; for the things seen are temporary, but the things not seen are age-during(ylt)................

comparing these 2 verses is difficult for me from our unversalist viewpoint, can anyone elaborate on this? it seems that if aion never means forever/eternal this verse would be very confusing.

Hi, this explains your question:

http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php?topic=4196.0

God bless you,
Eirik
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Re: aion/eternal?
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2012, 09:21:02 PM »

2cor4:18 So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal(niv).....................................................................
2cor4:18 we not looking to the things seen, but to the things not seen; for the things seen are temporary, but the things not seen are age-during(ylt)................

comparing these 2 verses is difficult for me from our unversalist viewpoint, can anyone elaborate on this? it seems that if aion never means forever/eternal this verse would be very confusing.

David,

I don't see a problem with any thing, just researched Strongs Greek (Esword), the NIV is translating Aionios as Eternal like they usually do, they are a Daughter translation of the King James Version(S). Youngs Literal translates it as Age-during, Eonian is more accurate. Check the Greek meanings below !

Temporal: proskairos
pros'-kahee-ros
From G4314 and G2540; for the occasion only, that is, temporary: - dur- [eth] for awhile, endure for a time, for a season, temporal.

aiōnios
ahee-o'-nee-os
From G165; perpetual (also used of past time, or past and future as well): - eternal, for ever, everlasting, world (began). From Strongs Greek Dictionary, (1) Duration; (1a) either undefined, but NOT ENDLESS. (caps for emphasis mine).

Throughout Strong's definition there's Double Talk, He says it's perpetual, endless, before World began and in the above it's NOT ENDLESS. It can't be both, because the Noun is Aion, An Age, a period of time having a beginning and an ending in it's duration.





From the Article: Is Everlasting Scriptural, Read Ray's Response to this challenger.

[2 Cor 4:18]:s

"Since we consider and look not to the things that are seen [temporal - temporary] but to things that are unseen [spiritual - eternal]; for the things that are visible are temporal (brief and fleeting), but the things that are invisible are deathless and everlasting

Comment: The concept of "eternity" is foreign to the Holy Scriptures. There is virtually nothing that is outside of the time periods known as aions. There are just a couple of hints regarding life beyond the ages of time. Luke speaks of things pertaining to the Kingdom, not coming to an end. And Paul tells us that in resurrection we will have "incorruption" and "immortality" signifying "deathlessness," but neither word has to do with time itself. Paul also speaks of a time in which God will be "ALL in all." That is the extent to which the Scriptures even hint of eternity or anything beyond the ages of time.

II Cor. 4:18 is neither speaking of "deathless" or "everlasting," as you suggest. It is speaking of what is happening now, in our life of flesh, and what will happen during the ages of our reign with Christ in the kingdom of God. The things of this life, we SEE daily. The things pertaining to the Kingdom of God are as yet "NOT seen." Again, it is not even speaking of what is "visible" and "Invisible," but rather what is NOW SEEN as compared with things "eonian" and NOT YET SEEN, which when seen will not be temporary, but will last through whole eons of time. And all that is perfected through the Kingdom of God and the reign of Christ bringing all enemies into subjection, will last on PAST the eons, and will have NO END.

The next great event in prophecy is not eternity, but rather the END of this eon and the BEGINNING of the next—the one in which the very elect will reign with Christ. There is no sense in jumping into eternity when as yet, we have numerous ages to yet live and administer God’s government and His Great Judgment. And so, what is not yet seen, is "eonian" (pertaining to the eons), and not "eternity" as you and the King James suggests in this verse.

Hope this Helps, Samson.
 
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