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orion77:
Sorry you feel that way, Brandon. It is not my intent to be critical to anyone on this forum. No personal attacks have ever come from my posts. It is only to the doctrines themselves.
Years ago when the Lord first came into my life, the experience was beyond words. I could not keep it to myself, yet I never heard of this before, it was incredible. I thought if I told my family or friends they would think I was crazy, so I decided to go to every church I could find and share the experience. Big mistake...was escorted out of several churches....laughed out of a few....kicked out of a couple....had several say I was possessed by a devil....was not meant to be part of their club. I will not go into the specifics of the experience, that is between God and me, but I will say it was all about the love of God and without limits.
For people to teach the doctrine of hell, simply do not know God. Let me ask you do you have the spirit of Christ inside of you?
I no longer in person will allow someone to belittle or demean the faith God has given me, and I will not allow it over the internet. If you or whoever is reading this and still believe in hell, you need to rethink your beliefs and sincerely pray to God with a broken heart and a contrite spirit. Believe me if you can do this, God will hear your prayers and reveal the truth to you.
If you want to keep believing in hell, that is fine, I have no problem with that, but this is a bible-truth forum, not a fable teaching propaganda machine.
With all sincerity,
Gary
ciy:
Broken, Orion is right. This is a Truth forum, but remember we were all where you are now at one time. When you do finally accept the truth you will see as we see. I am not saying this boastfully, but truthfully. See you really do not believe in eternal hell. Your carnality is urging you to but that "still small voice" inside of you knows the truth and so you are restless about it. See if you really believed that good people were going spend an eternity in hell you could not live the life you live. You could not allow anyone to die going to hell if you really believed that.
Just think if you were 30 minutes late for work and your neighbor came out of his house on fire you would not say "Hey I am sorry but I am late for work." You would do whatever you could to assist, but yet you go about your life daily with only a mild concern about loved ones and acquaintances that you believe will spend an eternity in hell fire. Impossible. You really do not believe that.
We really need to meditate on what we say we believe and then the "traditions of man" will not make the "Word of God of none effect".
God bless and keep seeking.
broken:
--- Quote from: love_magnified ---Well I believe if someone must live with the idea of their families, friends, and millions and billions of other people being tortured without mercy, they are deprived of joy. I don't have to live with that weight anymore, but can lean on the promised of God. Therefore I am not deprived of such relief and joy. A few preachers and leaders in a church I used to go to, don't believe in the reconciliation of all things in Christ. But what do they ALWAYS say? They wish it were true. We don't have to be deprived of that wish. We believe.
Did you mean depraved or deprived by this "Those who believe in the doctrine of hell are intellectually and spiritually deprived."
I do not believe that you are depraved, just because you believe in hell. BUT I do believe the doctrine itself is depraved in and of itself. That is not meant as an insult to you personally, but I am being honest.
--- End quote ---
No, you read right the first time. I meant deprived, as in insufficient or lessened.
And as much as you may believe that those of us who believe in hell are deprived of joy, you are wrong. I can promise you that I have as much joy as you.
Brandon
broken:
--- Quote from: orion77 ---Sorry you feel that way, Brandon. It is not my intent to be critical to anyone on this forum. No personal attacks have ever come from my posts. It is only to the doctrines themselves.
Years ago when the Lord first came into my life, the experience was beyond words. I could not keep it to myself, yet I never heard of this before, it was incredible. I thought if I told my family or friends they would think I was crazy, so I decided to go to every church I could find and share the experience. Big mistake...was escorted out of several churches....laughed out of a few....kicked out of a couple....had several say I was possessed by a devil....was not meant to be part of their club. I will not go into the specifics of the experience, that is between God and me, but I will say it was all about the love of God and without limits.
For people to teach the doctrine of hell, simply do not know God. Let me ask you do you have the spirit of Christ inside of you?
I no longer in person will allow someone to belittle or demean the faith God has given me, and I will not allow it over the internet. If you or whoever is reading this and still believe in hell, you need to rethink your beliefs and sincerely pray to God with a broken heart and a contrite spirit. Believe me if you can do this, God will hear your prayers and reveal the truth to you.
If you want to keep believing in hell, that is fine, I have no problem with that, but this is a bible-truth forum, not a fable teaching propaganda machine.
With all sincerity,
Gary
--- End quote ---
Then back up your claims. Understand that I believe you to be as misdirected as you believe that I am. I truly love Christ; I truly believe in Him; His Spirit resides in me; and for you to insinuate otherwise insults me more than you know.
If you are going to argue this point with me, then don't tell me to just pray and be led to the truth, enter the discussion, otherwise let our differences lie.
Brandon
broken:
--- Quote from: ciy ---Broken, Orion is right. This is a Truth forum, but remember we were all where you are now at one time. When you do finally accept the truth you will see as we see. I am not saying this boastfully, but truthfully. See you really do not believe in eternal hell. Your carnality is urging you to but that "still small voice" inside of you knows the truth and so you are restless about it. See if you really believed that good people were going spend an eternity in hell you could not live the life you live. You could not allow anyone to die going to hell if you really believed that.
Just think if you were 30 minutes late for work and your neighbor came out of his house on fire you would not say "Hey I am sorry but I am late for work." You would do whatever you could to assist, but yet you go about your life daily with only a mild concern about loved ones and acquaintances that you believe will spend an eternity in hell fire. Impossible. You really do not believe that.
We really need to meditate on what we say we believe and then the "traditions of man" will not make the "Word of God of none effect".
God bless and keep seeking.
--- End quote ---
1. Do not dare again to tell me what I do and do not believe. If you truly think yourself humble and do not wish to be perceived as arrogant, you will not make such assertions.
2. I'm doing my best to spread the gospel of Christ so that people will not be resigned to hell. So, yes, I am doing my part.
3. Again, any time you make such assertions against me, back them up with some real thought and scripture.
Brandon
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