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orion77:
Strange how a sinner can condemn another sinner.  Good thing for us the One without sin came not to condemn, but to save!

From reading the new testament, Jesus was always willing to forgive, forget, bless and heal.  It was the religious people of His time who made Him angry and I suppose it has always been that way.

God bless.

Gary

broken:

--- Quote from: orion77 ---God made us male and female, to where we come together and become as one to raise our own families.  Here we are as fathers and mothers raising children, knowing full well they will make many mistakes.  But there are none of us, no matter what our children do or become could possibly bring us to the point where we would torture our children forever and ever.  Impossible!!

Now we are taught that God, who is our FATHER will torture most of His children for not obeying.  Talk about ironic and 100% opposite to the nature of things.  Is it any wonder why many people refuse to hear anything about God!  

One does not even have to know anything about the bible to see it is a wrong belief.  Who would want to have a father like that?  Just amazes me how bassackwards the religious community has become.  Talk about blind!!!

I don't know what else to say, jeez!

God bless you all.

Gary
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Gary,

I have one request.  You would not walk into a church and expect them to expel you would you?  And if you would expect to be expelled would you not want to do better to those who visited your place of worship in the name of the love of Christ?  

Since being here I have read what only amounts to insulting criticism of those who believe in the doctrine of hell with absolutely no real defense.  I know that this is a place for those who sympathize with your doctrinal beliefs, but please recognize that there are those of us here who, either searching out "truth" or just seeking to have conversation do believe in hell and do not sympathize whatsoever with your harsh critique of both our belief and our mental state for believing in such a doctrine.

Now, if you have a problem with the doctrine and don't wish only to "preach to the choir" in order to have your own views validated, then please address the issue head on with those who believe opposite you.

Sorry to seem harsh, but neither of us want to be insulted or have our intelligence deprecated by another's comments.

Brandon

love_magnified:
broken, speaking as one who did believe in hell and eternal torture and defended it until I started searching, sometimes believers in the reconciliation of all things sit back and think. I do that too. I sit back and I consider the idea of undying never ending torture. Then I think about love. Then I ask myself how I could ever believe that God had any interest at all in eternal torture. I think it's when you see the simplicity in the Gospel and how it makes sense for God to take all the chosen who were picked out of the many called and use them to save the rest of the world you see the strangeness in eternal torment. It comes out that way, but if you were in the place we are at, having fully come to believe in the reconcilation of all things in Christ, you just take a step back at it. It's like an incredible rush. How could I ever have believed what I did even though it wasn't totally my fault?

broken:

--- Quote from: love_magnified ---broken, speaking as one who did believe in hell and eternal torture and defended it until I started searching, sometimes believers in the reconciliation of all things sit back and think. I do that too. I sit back and I consider the idea of undying never ending torture. Then I think about love. Then I ask myself how I could ever believe that God had any interest at all in eternal torture. I think it's when you see the simplicity in the Gospel and how it makes sense for God to take all the chosen who were picked out of the many called and use them to save the rest of the world you see the strangeness in eternal torment. It comes out that way, but if you were in the place we are at, having fully come to believe in the reconcilation of all things in Christ, you just take a step back at it. It's like an incredible rush. How could I ever have believed what I did even though it wasn't totally my fault?
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Regardless, it just seems to me that if you all want to teach the truth, then you would not insult those who you are trying to reach with your "truth."  Regardless of intention, when I read these posts I hear, "Those who believe in the doctrine of hell are intellectually and spiritually deprived."  As much as some of you keep saying that you don't judge anyone or see yourselves as better than anyone else, and yet your words deceive you.

Brandon

love_magnified:
Well I believe if someone must live with the idea of their families, friends, and millions and billions of other people being tortured without mercy, they are deprived of joy. I don't have to live with that weight anymore, but can lean on the promised of God. Therefore I am not deprived of such relief and joy. A few preachers and leaders in a church I used to go to, don't believe in the reconciliation of all things in Christ. But what do they ALWAYS say? They wish it were true. We don't have to be deprived of that wish. We believe.

Did you mean depraved or deprived by this "Those who believe in the doctrine of hell are intellectually and spiritually deprived."

I do not believe that you are depraved, just because you believe in hell. BUT I do believe the doctrine itself is depraved in and of itself. That is not meant as an insult to you personally, but I am being honest.

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