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Stacey:
I just spent the last few hours reading http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,8385.0.html
Although it was mentioned that the Neanderthals and the like were discussed, I didn't see where Ray taught or believed anything about humanoids at all. Maybe I missed it. Does he teach on it somewhere else?
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Off Arc's topic but from the Nashville Conference
One particular part of the conference that stood out to me was this,
There’s more. Down in the Gulf of Mexico there is a place called Eugene Island. It’s just this little island where they drill for oil. They struck oil there about twenty years ago and they are pumping about twenty thousand barrels a day. Finally it went down to about three thousand barrels a day and they’re thinking we are about finished here, right. Well what do you think happened? It started filling up. They are up to ten thousand barrels a day again.
So the oil companies involved and the federal government had matching grants of five or ten million dollars or something like that. So they sent geologies and sea divers and they went down there and started doing all kinds of experiments, because they were thinking what the hell is going on here. They found out that there was new oil coming in to fill the reservoir that they had drained out.
So you know they say that these are not renewable sources of energy, well they well may be. Why do they call these fossil fuels in the first place? Because they find bacteria in the oil, at least some of it. So that is proof that this was once alive, this bacteria. The truth of the matter is that they are finding bacteria thousands of feet down in the ground. They don’t know how it gets there, but it gets there, because there is bacteria thousands of feet in the ground.
About three or four years ago was the first I heard of this. A Russian scientist said, ‘I don’t think oil comes from an organic source’ and I don’t either. I’ll tell you where oil comes from, the earth makes it. The earth makes it’s own oil, the earth makes it’s own gold, the earth makes it’s own diamonds and the earth makes it’s own silver. The earth manufactures it on the inside and spews it out. The earth is like a living organism, it’s like a giant manufacturing concern. It manufactures everything. Everything that is on the earth came out of the earth, I don’t care if it’s sulfur or a diamond the earth made it. So I think the earth makes oil.
I've never believed that oil comes from dead dinosaurs. Don't know why, just never have. I had a interesting conversation with a man I was delivering to a drilling rig a long time ago. The conversation of seismic exploration came up. I asked him why do we need to keep going back to area's already explored for oil? He informed me that believe it or not, oil shows up in places that it never was before and that by going back over already explored area's we can and do find new oil.
That just goes along with everything Ray mentions above. The earth produces it, makes sense to me.
Stacey:
I read the emails JFK listed.
If the other humans were hunter/gatherers that didn't know how to till the ground, that alone certainly does not make them anything less than man or human like I would consider a Red Deer or Neanderthal to be IF they truly existed so, I have to ask, are we to believe that Red Deer People or Neanderthals were human or man?
Ray used the word 'advanced' man in those emails JFK mentioned. Now I can see where advanced could mean to be smarter but does that also mean that the other humans, the less advanced ones were more ape like?
Forgive my ignorance please. :-[ Surely all this has already been asked and answered a thousand times around here.
Kat:
Hi Stacy,
Well I have wondered about this too. IMHO it seems to me that when God created Adam He was beginning the work of salvation there with him, as Adam is called the "first man."
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, "The first man, Adam, became a living soul"...
I mean it just seems that God created this 'advanced man,' possibly capable of learning/understanding to a higher level... to comunnicate with God? So beginning with Adam and his descendants, as the physical start of His plan for salvation? As Christ is where He does His spiritually work.
v. 45 ...the last Adam was a life-giving Spirit.
Since you mentioned this, just thought I would share what I have come up with.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Deborah-Leigh:
This is a BEAUTIFUL Thread.
Stacey:
Here's where I am with the whole idea of other spices of humans thing. It's pretty easy to separate the facts from the fiction and when that is done, the facts do not support the theory. IMO
The Red Dear People facts. A skull was found
The Red Dear People fiction. All the supporting statements mentioned for the imagination to ponder on.
Denisovans (mentioned in the Red Dear article) facts. A single finger bone was found.
Denisovan fiction. All the supporting statements mentioned for the imagination to ponder on.
When Scientists invent whole species of human like creatures from a single skull or a finger bone that raises all kinds of red flags for me and especially when most of the data is pure speculation. I am not a Scientist. Heck I'm not a Farmer either, don't know much about tilling the ground but I'm pretty sure my ancestors were human.
I simply cannot get from here to there with believing much of this for the infinite number of half's preventing me. I'll have to stick with what God said in Genesis when he created the first man Adam, that he was the first man and I believe that he was a whole completely finished human being. Even if Adam represents all of mankind, they and us are still human and not almost human or appearing like we descended from apes like we are lead to believe if we trust in the data presented in speculative theories such as the Red Dear People or the like.
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