Kat--thank you AGAIN! I really had it mixed up!! Thank you also for the threads--I learn so much!
Part b of my inquiry:
--Jesus WAS conceived of the holy spirit so Jesus WAS part of His OWN conception!--because you can't SPLIT the holy spirit into --this portion is God the Father; and, this portion remaining-- is Jesus. (mind-blowing!)
WHICH also means that when the holy spirit is interceding to the Father in our behalf--is it REALLY Jesus (in the form of the Holy Spirit) talking to His Father on our behalf?
Duane,
I think this idea, understanding, concept needs a little more work including my following comments.
We don't know what Creator God is or how He/She/It exists or functions in the spiritual realm.
We don't know that Creator God is a person in the same sense that we refer to one another as persons.
We don't know that the Holy Spirit of the Trinity doctrine is a person either, but that is the way many have chosen to try to illustrate our relationship with the holy spirit.
The O. T. uses many schemes/analogies/metaphors to try to describe how we should think about God, but all fall short of a scientific or dictionary explanation which is what most folks want.
To state, "the holy "ruach" or "pneuma" using the English word SPIRIT can be simplified to saying that God is "spirit" or God is something invisible that we cannot understand or even describe. We know God is there because otherwise nothing would exist or be sustained in existence. God is just beyond description for any human other than Lord Jesus who has actually experienced God's reality; as far as we know.
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Acts 16:17-34 Paul explains to the religious of Athens about their "unknown god" and comes quite close to defining the power on high that we cannot see, touch, hear etc. This also helps to demonstrate how difficult it is for humans to describe the true God in human terms.
When the Bible speaks of the comforter interceding for us with God, it just means that God is always listening and that God cares and understands, EVEN though God is so great and so far above us, he can and does understand our frame, our painful existence. Yes, God knows what it is like to feel pain. God knows what it is like to carry a baby in a mother's womb and to be stretched out of shape in the often painful delivery process. God created the nervous system that allows the pain sensation that protects our bodies from further injury. All our bodily systems have been pre-tested for effectiveness; in the mind of God. Lord Jesus did not, after his physical existence have to explain to Father God what it was like to be human/physical; God already knew and suffered with Lord Jesus. In like manner God and now Lord Jesus know and suffer with each of us in our trials.
So what we are left with is that the holy spirit is the (invisible something) that we cannot explain that has the ability to exert authority and power in the physical realm. It is the something that Creator God uses to accomplish "His" works. It is the word or spoken thoughts of Creator God. It is God making things happen according to God's will and purpose. It is God desiring that Mary the mother of Lord Jesus conceive in her womb a male child and willing it to happen. So the holy spirit is God at work. AND now by divine appointment it is also Lord Jesus the Christ at work in our daily lives.
In the U.S. we have a saying about a government OF the people, BY the people, FOR the people.
The holy spirit may be similar in that it is OF God, BY God and FOR God's benefit and pleasure.
I realize that my poor attempt at explanation is lacking in many ways, but I hope to generate a little more thought and introspection, contemplation of the idea.
Indiana Bob