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Prov 18:21 am I rich because I said so or because I was predestined to?

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patmokgoko:
I hear on the pull pit that if you speak negative about your life so shall it be, I just can't link this with Prov 18:21 because I believe that every word on my tongue the Lord knows it already.I know I must always be positive but that has no link to this verse.How come when I speak good things about my life hundreds of times they don't materialise but just one mention of a negative thing "bang" you have just pronounced a curse on your life?Something dont just link.I dont know if I make sense but I wish I do.Please help!

arion:
Do yourself a favor and don't listen to the preachers of Babylon as they know not what they talk about.  They will take a bible verse, call it a scripture and then develop whole doctrines around that one verse and never give confirmation with other verses as we know that no single verse can stand on it's own.  They believe in contradictions and that is what they preach.  The ones your listening to seem to believe in the 'name it claim it' or 'positive thinking' doctrines and these come right out of Babylon and assume that if anything 'bad' happens to you it's either the devil that did or you laid a curse on yourself.  Yet we know that God is sovereign and nothing happens to you by accident. 

newgene87:
So what is the "truth" of this verse? I'm still phasing from the free will idea; I say phasing cause it's such an accepted "doctrine" yet again; I do see rays papers on it AND scripture does agree that we don't have a free will; but verses like this, and other sayings in proverbs like this seem to hint that "we are able to 'speak' life and death over our life".... So what is the truth? Where does Gods sovereignty come at work when it comes to this verse? So I kinda feel you pat. This verse hints that we "have say" over our destiny so I seem to mentally dodge this verse but I want to accept the truth of it in line with Gods sovereignty. And not that I "make my own 'free' choices in life and I declare it" mess. So I can ignore preachers of Babylon but it is in the scriptures so I'm asking along wit pat; what sayest thou what this mean? :-D thanks. Nice post

Kat:

Sometimes another translation really helps with a verse. See how the Good News Bible puts it and then other translations become more clear.

Pro 18:21 
(GNB) What you say can preserve life or destroy it; so you must accept the consequences of your words.

(YLT) Death and life are in the power of the tongue, And those loving it eat its fruit.

(CLV) Death and life lie in the hand of the tongue, And they who love to use it must eat its fruit.

mercy, peacde and,love
Kat

Dave in Tenn:
Gene and Pat...it's surely true that all of our choices are caused, including what we say with our mouths.  I think it bears remembering that the choices we are caused to make also become part of the cause for the choices of the rest of our lives.  How else do we 'learn righteousness'?  We 'learn' by experiencing both our failure to obey (and even our inability to obey) and by the practical and spiritual and 'everlasting' good results of obedience.  I see a prime example of this in the very verse you're asking about.  God's sovereignty is not diminished, but amplified.

I don't really see a 'commandment' to 'do' anything in this verse.  I see a vital piece of information for those God is dealing with. 

How do we 'obey' this verse.  These thoughts come to mind, though the word of God is rich and not limited to these.  First, we're not promised earthly riches, and there is a 'down-side' to having them and in desiring them.  See the rest of Scripture for more detail.  Secondly, do we turn this 'verse' into a call to do some sort of 'incantation' or vain repitition to reap some reward?  See the rest of Scripture for more information.  Third, are there not consequences of our actions/words?  Yes there are.  Are they always what we imagine/want them to be?  No, they are not. 

Is it good to tell the truth, to praise God, to edify the brethren?  Yes it is.  Is it harmful to lie, bear false witness, curse, decieve ourselves and others?  Yes it is.  Is it right to control our tongues?  Of course.  It takes all of the fruit of the Spirit to accomplish that, however.  Is God working in All of these things--good and evil?  Yes, He is.  See the rest of Scripture for more.

I'll control my fingers now and stop typing.   :D  Do good.     

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