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Resurrection of the unjust
indianabob:
Thanks for the attribution Kat, I didn't search first and should have.
I remember the details from my former association in WCG.
That thirty years did have some value leading toward understanding of God's plan.
I just didn't see it until Ray put it all together for us.
Friend Bob
Kat:
Yeah I was in WCG for many yrs too and believe all that study of the OT has been of value as well. Ray did bring so many of those teachings together for us.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
the truth:
Hello,All
I am so thankful that the post by santgem was posted.Because this is something that the Lord is working within my understanding at this point in my walk with Him.I could not remember if Ray ever taught on this and when I looked for some reason it alluded me.So I haven't really been able to really get my thoughts across on this matter because I didn't Want it to be looked at as me trying teaching something on the forum.But Since Ray has commented on it I have a question.
First Ray shares this:
First comes the wave sheaf, the very first of the firstfruits, on Passover, during the feast of unleavened bread. This represents CHRIST, the very first (wave sheaf) OF the firstfruit, our Passover sacrificed for us.
Second was the Feast of Weeks when the firstfruit of the land was harvested. This represents US, the FIRSTFRUIT to enter God’s Kingdom. James says WE are the firstfruit of God (James 1:18).
Third came the great Fall harvest, the Feast of Tabernacles, a much much larger gathering, where ALL THE FALL HARVEST was gathered in! What does this Feast picture? This was the time of true REJOICING FOR EVERYONE. Absolutely EVERYONE. No one was left out of this great and final festival of the year:
"And thou shalt rejoice IN THY FEAST [of Tabernacles, the fall harvest], YOU, and your SON, and your DAUGHTER, and your MANSERVANT, and your MAIDSERVANT, and the LEVITE, the STRANGER [GENTILES], and the FATHERLESS, and the WIDOW, that are within your gates" (Deut. 16:14).
NO ONE was EXCLUDED! EVERYONE was INCLUDED!
And so we see in the New Testament that these three festivals of ancient Israel are really TYPES in God’s master plan of salvation. Christ the FIRST of the firstfruit. Then believers, the FIRSTFRUITS. And then the great FALL HARVEST.
But wait a minute. We know that Christ was the First of the firstfruit to be resurrected to life. We also know that all the believing saints who are to reign with Christ at His coming are the rest of the firstfruits. So where then does the great fall harvest of souls come into God’s family? When have you ever been taught about the great fall harvest, which excludes no one but includes everyone? There is a reason why you haven’t heard the truth of these Scriptures in Christendom.
So,It sounds to me Ray is saying that this Feast of tabernacle is when God is all in all if you will.
If,So ...And maybe I had a brain laps very possible..How do these Scripture fit as it seems He is speaking of the feast of the tabernacle being the mill um reign of Christ to me rather than all in all.here are the Scriptures.
Zech-14-16-21..please read all of chapter 14.
Rev-21-2-8
Rev-22-13-17
So thanks for all who will help me to understand this!
indianabob:
Hi Jerry,
This may not address exactly what you are asking, but I hope it will lead that way.
Let's be practical in our assessment of How God may proceed.
There is going to be a resurrection to physical life of those who died lost; both adults and kids.
One may assume that they will be raised healthy and able bodied or at least healed soon after they are raised.
Next a detailed explanation of what happened to them and how much time has elapsed since they died.
Then the normal needs of a large displaced populace such as a place to rest and a steady supply of food until they get organized into communities. Some division of labor according to talents and prior experience etc etc. So won't all of the above require that a substantial population of UN-saved people live over into the "millennium" to be there to provide the needed aid and translation of language?
The transition is going to be a mind boggling challenge in logistics for who ever gets the job.
Only then will there be the teaching of righteousness through the "lake of fire".
That period of teaching righteousness IS NOT going to be a thirty day course in righteousness for dummies It is going to be a large part of an entire lifetime, a time of perseverance in well doing or whatever God has planned.
Then we may suppose that these physical folks are going to need to learn to rear children the way God would have children to grow and learn by the parents visible example. So I see procreation going on during the teaching period (however long it may be) and lots of new generations.
After that we can use our imaginations, but I think you see my point thus far.
Thanks for considering my thoughts, Indianabob
the truth:
Hello.indianabob
I do so much enjoy and appreciate your thoughts and post!And do you see the wisdom in taking a step back and trying to see things from other perspectives which I will admit isn't a strength of mine.
You said:
Let's be practical in our assessment of How God may proceed
I look to 1-Cor 15-23 for that practical assessment. And that IS why when I look at whats been presented by Ray in this regard it gets a little tricky putting this thing together for me anyway.
One thing is for sure we must put the order together correctly .Which could be a little more tricky than we may think.Because of who this Firstfruit Wholly consist of.
But just as important as that is marrying the other Scripture to confirm what we believe.Which when I do that I don't see happening.Not to mention other Scripture That I haven't shared as of yet?
But the good news is God has blessed me with company that has His Spirit.And they will help me come to the truth of the matter!
I also would like to say indianabob. I so Respect the way you respect others when addressing them.It makes it so much easier to fellowship when someone shows respect, to what you may be seeing.Rather than to try to put you in a box.. of who they think you are by some words on a computer screen.
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