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rocky:

--- Quote from: Topaz on July 19, 2006, 04:40:37 PM ---
--- Quote ---The law makes us realize we're bad.  Christ shows us another way and God's grace gets us where we need to go.
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Sounds like that is the hop, skip and jump of it.
Does that include the eating of clean and unclean meats?????
I have heard many discussions regarding that a pig is not to be eaten....yet..I find in Romans 14:20 "For meat destroy not the work of God.  All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man that eateth with offence"
I was under the understanding that the pig WAS unclean to all. But now I beleive that it is only offensive to those that consider it unclean...or am I wrong in thinking that all things God has given us to eat of are cleansed. 
God be with us...
Topaz

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Do these verses help??

 


 Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;  


 Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;  


 Col 2:15 [And] having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.  


 Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:  


 Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.  

Topaz:
Thank all for the replies...they have all given me something to study and ponder.
I personally have always believed all meats were to be taken freely for food. It started becoming a big issue with me when I read so many "other" people discussing how "unclean" it was.
And being a mountain woman who does not hunt and does not buy my meat from a store but I do eat home grown meats. Beef, Pig, Chicken...etc.  I would stop eating thereof IF it was a commandment from God.
It appears to me at this time that since it does NOT offend me or anyone that I am personally around that I am free to eat that of which I choose.  Now if it was to offend someone, I would not eat nor serve it as a meal to guest.
Silly as I may seem....I will not eat of Deer.....only because I have raised too many on a bottle and re-set them free.  But many people in my area are hunters of such and I cry every hunting season.  I could never personally kill any animal.  Therefore at times seem hypocritcal for the eating of animals.
Anyway...Thank You all for your input
God be with us...
Topaz

all4love:
Matthew 15:10-11
"Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen and understand. What
goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes
out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.


Act 10:10  But he became very hungry and was desiring to eat; but while they [were] preparing [a meal], a trance fell on him,

Act 10:11  and he observes heaven [or, the sky] having been opened, and a certain object like a great sheet descending to him, having been tied at [the] four corners and being lowered on the ground,

Act 10:12  in which were all the four-footed animals of the earth and the wild beasts and the reptiles and the birds of heaven [or, the air].

Act 10:13  And a voice came to him: "Having gotten up, Peter, slaughter and eat!"

Act 10:14  But Peter said, "Most certainly not, Lord! Because never did I eat any[thing] common [fig., ritually impure] or unclean [or, which defiles]."

Act 10:15  And a voice [came] again a second time to him: "What God [has] cleansed, by all means stop calling common [fig., ritually impure]!"

I might be missunderstanding Acts not sure but I think that it is saying that it is ok.  I know that as far as health wise goes Pork is bad for you but I don't think it is wrong to eat in God's eyes.

Topaz:
Thank you "all4love" for providing the many scriiptures that you did to clarify that even further.
I do realize pig is not a healthy food to eat, but I have not at this time put my body totally into "all healthy" foods.  Yes I know I should, but have not at this time.  Hopefully someday soon I will be able to do that.
Thank you again for the scriptures.

God be with us......

hillsbororiver:
Rocky wrote of this point earlier in the thread, the following is from Lake of Fire Part XI;


WHAT IS THE PURPOSE FOR THE MOSAIC LAW?

Can boys become men on their mother’s milk? Neither can men become spiritually mature on things of childhood. Paul said when he was a child, he thought and acted as a child, but when he became a man, he said he put away childish things. The Christian Church today refuses to put away childish things. Here is the purpose for the Law of Moses in the Church:

"Wherefore the law was [it was not past tense for Paul] our schoolmaster [Gk: tutor or guardian] to BRING US UNTO CHRIST, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come [faith HAS now come] we are NO LONGER under a schoolmaster [the law of Moses]" (Gal. 3:24-25).

How is it that all the educated theologians with all their PhD’s can’t understand this simple analogy. The law—the law of Moses, was our "schoolmaster." It WAS, it isn’t any more. Why not? Because mature adults are no longer children. We have all had schoolmaster in our youth. We were under them, subject to them, disciplined by them, taught by them. I am now 62 years old. Am I still under my grade school teachers? Of course not. Do I, however, try to remember the things I learned from my teacher? Why yes, of course. But as a man I am now subject to higher authorities. A person will never acquire a college degree if he never gets out of grade school.

What happens to those who are so foolish as to think that they should remain forever in grade school under a tutor/schoolmaster?

"Now I say, That the heir [the potential, prospective, heir to the kingdom of God in the first resurrection], as long as he is A CHILD [wants to remain a minor under the Old Covenant Law of Moses] differs NOTHING FROM A SERVANT, though he be lord of all; but is under tutors and governors UNTIL the time appointed of the father" (Gal. 4:1-2).

Do you follow this? An heir to the Kingdom of God, as long as he does not mature, will never inherit his Father’s Kingdom, but is in no better position that a "servant" who will never be heir to his master’s household! Let them who have ears to hear, HEAR. You cannot mature on mother’s milk. The Church furnishes mother’s milk to children and corrupts their minds with "the DEPTHS of Satan." We must "come out of her" if we are to be God’s people.

You can read all of Ray's paper here; http://bible-truths.com/lake11.html

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