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Is this really marriage?
zander:
I'm not sure ceremonies count toward a marriage in God's eyes? Anything physical is redundant, right? Marriage is just a coming together, that is basically what it means. The church have a problem with it, but then the church has a problem with everything. Is it "not right" for gays to be married in God's eyes? Apparently so. But there are hundreds of other sins aside from being gay. Ive slept with women i am not married to, plus other things, its just one of those beam out of my eye things.
One thing i did learn yesterday was this. reading Ray's article on "guilty of one guilty of all". It opened up another revelation.. It means if i am guilty of one sin, i am guilty of therefore of still being in the flesh enough to have the potential to do more sinful things. So if God wanted to turn me gay tomorrow - he could. Does anyone know the story of the straight man who literally woke from a coma gay?
Its scary how God can cause things to happen beyond our control.
Marky Mark:
--- Quote ---It opened up another revelation.. It means if i am guilty of one sin, i am guilty of therefore of still being in the flesh enough to have the potential to do more sinful things.
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Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
--- Quote ---Its scary how God can cause things to happen beyond our control.
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Jer 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.
Pro 16:1 The preparations of the heart in man, and the answer of the tongue is from the Lord
Pro 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
Pro 20:24 Man's goings are of the LORD; how can a man then understand his own way?
Ecc 1:13 I applied my heart to inquiring and exploring by wisdom concerning all that is done under the heavens: it is an experience of evil Elohim has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it.
Gina:
--- Quote from: zander on May 16, 2012, 10:16:06 AM ---...So if God wanted to turn me gay tomorrow - he could. Does anyone know the story of the straight man who literally woke from a coma gay?
Its scary how God can cause things to happen beyond our control.
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Are you saying gay people are "scary"? ??? That's not very nice. ;) Just kidding.
Seriously, I don't agree with you about the ceremony not being necessary - no offense.
I used to think the same thing as you, but upon further study, it's clear to me, at least, a ceremony is absolutely necessary if for no other reason than to show that the BRIDE (the weaker sex) has given consent to be married/joined to the man.
See, if no ceremony was necessary, then any schlepp could walk up to a girl of any age and make her his "wife." Do you see how they treat little girls in Asia and the Far East -- it's horrible how parents "marry" off their young girls (even toddlers!) to these older men or whoever wants their little bodies. It's sad and disgusting and infuriating! Grrrr!!!! And they say, that right there is my wife!
But thank God! that's not the way it's supposed to be! At least not in America.
zander:
No but some lesbians are, geez, some of them frighten the hell outa me ;)
Just kidding again. No offence meant to anyone here.
I mean when i say no ceremony, i mean obviously there has to be consent, Gina. The custom Asian way you describe is not consensual, so therefore not relevant to my point. I mean 2 people who consensualy come together, in agreement under God, without the need for a ceremony are a marriage. Thats just my opinion based on nothing other than i see the physical realm as redundant when talking about spiritual things according to what i've learned here.
Gina:
Me
--- Quote from: zander on May 18, 2012, 04:20:30 PM ---No but some lesbians are, geez, some of them frighten the hell outa me ;)
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Me too!
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