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Is all Sin really the same?
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: onelovedread on May 14, 2012, 02:07:47 PM ---JFK
If God hates sinners, then technically He hates the whole world since all have sinned.
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You should study this article from Ray, which I attached to my first post. It answers your inquiry.
http://bible-truths.com/WhyGodLovesYou.htm
space.ace.jase:
Very timely topic as I have been listening to some audios of the same things over the last few days.
As Moises and Dave pointed out the link of the transcript from Ray's talk of 'Guilty of All' helps clears up most of these answers.
Audio: http://bible-truths.com/audio/N05%20Guilty_of_ALL.mp3
Transcript: http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3709.0.html
James 2:7 Do they not blaspheme that noble name by which you are called?
v. 8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself," you do well;
v. 9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors.
v. 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all (or it can read, liable to the punishment, the penalty).
IF YOU BREAK ONE, YOU'RE GUILTY OF ALL!
Now let’s just think about this a little bit. We always thought about this verse on a level about here. You know you break one, you’re guilty of them all. We thought like, 'well I guess if you committed adultery and God said you shouldn’t, so I guess you dishonor God and so you break the first commandment or something like that.'
But does this verse mean what it says, if you break one, you’re guilty of all? Are you ahead of me yet? Do you know where I’m going with this? Some are figuring it out.
If you break one point of God’s royal Law, you are guilty of all!
So don’t take credit for the fact that you didn’t molest children and kill them. You weren’t lead down that evil alley. You weren’t born into the family that would cause you to go down that alley. You weren’t always frustrated to the point where you were just hell bent on just doing some evil foul thing like that. God prevented it.
God makes vessels of honor and dishonor. He makes vessels of dishonor and then has mercy on the other vessels. Some He hardens and some He has mercy on. He has had mercy on everybody in this room. If you have never killed anybody or molested children or done any of these horrendous things. He has great mercy on your life. Now we need to be thankful for that and not assume we don’t have very much to repent of. We have to repent of what? "O man," that’s what we have to repent of.
In regards to God hating sinners there is some extra clarification in the audio below:
Audio: http://bible-truths.com/audio/love.mp3
Transcript: http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3719.0.html
Now you say, 'God loves everybody the same.'
Rom 9:13 As it is written, "Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."
Now, there the Greek can mean to love less by comparison. But it’s a quotation from Malachi 1:2, and in the Hebrew it means hated... get it?
Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
v. 17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
v. 18 A heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
v. 19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
“These six things does the Lord hate,” and then it list a proud look and a lying tongue and so on. But then He says, “a false witness” and that’s a person. A false witness is a person that speaks lies and he that sows discord among the brethren. Those are people that do that. But He doesn’t hate, like we hate, because He doesn’t have a carnal mind and we do. When we hate, we hate with our carnal mind. God has no carnal mind, so you can’t draw the same analogy.
I am still asking God to help me understand this all because I have trouble wrapping my brain around it but in time this will all become clear.
Hope this helps,
Jase
Gina:
--- Quote from: onelovedread on May 14, 2012, 02:07:47 PM ---JFK
If God hates sinners, then technically He hates the whole world since all have sinned.
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At one time or another, sure, but He doesn't stop there. His hate towards sinners isn't for the sole purpose of hating, and it's only for a little while--relatively speaking. He destroys us all in the end, sure, but He refashions us, too.
Phil 4:8 Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable--if anything is excellent or praiseworthy--think about such things.
So lah-dee-dahhh. ;)
newgene87:
Thank you all for the input. Makes more sense now. I mean obviously, I don't want this to cross over to "judging" anyone; but Jesus does say, "First cast out the beam out of your own eye; and then shall you see clearly to cast out the mote of your brothers eye"; I mean, doesn't that apply "Righteous Judgment". I mean, when does being aware that something is wrong and admonishing them crossover to "casting stones"?? Seems as tho somebody knowing that they're wrong feels like a stone being thrown at them, yet we are to stand for the truth. I mean I love everyone, I sincerely do. But even Jesus would treat anyone as; "Neither do I condemn you, go, AND SIN NO MORE" (John 8:11). It seems as tho, even those who walk by the spirit of God, and love of God has to "go along with the flow" cause we don't wanna feel like we're casting stones; but even Jesus would tell all "go and SIN NO MORE". I just don't want to feel condemned in myself that I'm "supporting" and "approving" anyone's choices, lifestyles, decisions just cause i can't judge them -- and that makes me feel like a fool when I stand for righteousness but Im accussed of "judging"? So what's the point of standing for righteousness when youre condemned for standing for it cause that'll be judging in itself? Well, thank you all for answer my questions. Thank you ;). I did learn I'm guilty of the whole law just as anyone. I'll just continue to deny myself and follow Christ
acomplishedartis:
Jesse.
So good you brought and paste those quotes from those transcripts. I was going to do it, but you save me the time. Also the 'different types of love' transcript is one of my favorites. I takes reading them many times to start to understand them, at least to me. And I still need to keep reading them once in a while. Because I believe they are so complex and deep. Not as easy as other themes.
newgene87.
I know what you mean. I don't know what is your present situation in life and what are the reasons that make you ''go along with the flow''. Eventually you have to ''come out of Her'' (of her control, of being sponsored in any way by her), also you must be not unequally yoked, and you must leave it all behind to follow Christ. All these of course is mostly a spiritual thing, and the consequences can become physical. Sometimes you will feel like a ''secret agent'' and might will have to ''let your self go along with the flow'' temporally until you make your way out (out of that system). Sometimes it's a gradual process that takes much time and much effort, then as time goes by and you have developed more character, you will gain more freedom, you will not get your nose in places/talks where you have to let your self go with the flow, and you will be able to practice your believes more openly. But it all starts in the mind.
The judge not part can get tricky. In the past I have gone Far, so to judge not, and I still struggle. We tent to judge automatically, so it takes time and effort to get the new habit and stop judging so easy. Every time I judge, that is because because I am not remembering that I have all the capacity to do the very same thing if I was on the other shoes, also I must examine my self, and search if I am not doing the very same thing that I judge in some other area of my life. I find my self guilty many times, of judging the very same things that I do.
I think that the less you judge, the more freedom you have. Your life will gradually change for good.
You can stand for God's righteousness and see at things for what they really are and know how they work; with out judging. - At the end this is God's world, everything is part of his plan and our little limited minds should not get sucked on trying to fix small details from people that is used to do what is wrong continually.
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