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They make a mockery of the good news that all will be saved
lilitalienboi16:
When I read your post, the first thing that came to mind was;
Isaiah 5:20 "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"
Woe unto them indeed. They MOCK the goodness of our Lord and His plan. I am so thankful to the Lord that I am not them. I certainly do not want to be the one mocking our Lord's goodness. Scary stuff!
Gina:
Proverbs 1
17Surely in vain the net is spread in the sight of any bird.
18And they lay wait for their own blood; they lurk privily for their own lives.
19So are the ways of every one that is greedy of gain; which taketh away the life of the owners thereof.
H o w e v e r ...
20Wisdom crieth without; she uttereth her voice in the streets:
21She crieth in the chief place of concourse, in the openings of the gates: in the city she uttereth her words, saying,
22How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?
23Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.
24Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;
25But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:
26I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;
27When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.
28Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:
29For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:
30They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.
31Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.
32For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.
33But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil.
No one will mock God and get away with it.
I'd hate to be in their Jimmy Choos.
I would!
Dave in Tenn:
No worries, Doug. I was replying pretty much to everybody in the thread. We just have to watch how it's done, and be humble enough to understand we all aren't teachers. For my part, the debate is over with christendom's love of eternal punishment. The 'debate' I witnessed was right on the front page of BT. I still recommend it to anyone with questions. There are other ways to be involved in the ministry of the Gospel, and scripture makes it clear that most of 'us' are 'called' to those. All of us are called to the most excellent way. Anybody may do one or two things reasonably well, but Love does all things well. And without it, whatever we might do well is worthless.
Gina:
I wasn't called to teach. I learned that by getting into debates -- the hard way.
It worried me that I was making Ray look like a bad person/teacher to those in Christiandom, even when I was able to answer people right, so I finally stopped. (Girl's gotta know her limitations. hehe)
It's interesting to me to know that Ray was a roofer and what do roofs do? They provide shelter from the rain and elements.
So Ray provides us shelter, and what did I do? Left this perfect shelter and went off looking for trouble. Now, I'm staying put.
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: doug on May 25, 2012, 04:55:18 PM ---
--- Quote from: onelovedread on May 25, 2012, 10:30:41 AM ---Do you think you could find that teaching? Don't remember reading that.
Thanks
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I believe this may answer your question Onelovedread.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,305.0.html
Secondly, do those in "the church" have the Spirit?
Comment: NO, they have "a" spirit.
If so, how did it come, why do they have it, and why is it so unproductive?
Comment: Oh, but their spirit of Satan is most productive. Along with doing "many wonderful works," they have succeeded in "deceiving the WHOLE WORLD."
If not, how do those in "His church" get it, since it is most often that they come out of "the church"?
Comment: Coming out of the church is the only way that one will be given the Holy Spirit of God
Like I said Onelovedread, In my opinion, this is one tough "hard saying"! I had to get up and away from my computer and get a drink of water... and now that I have let it soak in for a few weeks... I believe that it is absolutely true. Old "doctrines" die hard. This definitely isn't "milk" for those that are in the church. This teaching goes right along with the LOF Series XI at the heading "To Which Church Do I Belong". It all fits together.
By the way - After I had skimmed through several LOF Series and couldn't find that particular quote, I was about ready to answer you by my recanting of that quote until a brother from this forum PM'd me with the link in question. Again, thank you brother!
doug
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Another way that we know the christian churches do not have God's Spirit is the false and unscriptural doctrines they teach. Satan would never permit his churches to teach the truth.
Here is an email from Ray where he lists some of the unscriptural doctrines that the false churches teach.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,11315.0.html
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